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Daniel defense Ar pistols
Posted on 7/13/20 at 9:49 am
Posted on 7/13/20 at 9:49 am
I've recently gotten in to firearms. I bought my first pistol, a vp9sk and now I've started looking at ddm4v7p. I like the smaller barrel for home defense and that's what led me to the pistols. From what I've read you can own a AR pistol without the tax stamp? Is that correct?
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Posted on 7/13/20 at 9:51 am to Easye921
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From what I've read you can own a AR pistol without the tax stamp? Is that correct?
Yes, that is correct.
it can have a "brace" but not a "stock"
Posted on 7/13/20 at 9:55 am to bbvdd
But you can still shoulder fire it with the brace, right?
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:00 am to Easye921
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I like the smaller barrel for home defense and that's what led me to the pistols.
I would stay away from 7.5 inch 5.56 barrel length. Get a 10.5”. The 7.5 looses too much velocity and will blow your eardrums out inside a house.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:07 am to lsufan1971
That's what I'm looking at. The Daniel defense is 10.5 and the bravo company one is 11.5. My plan was to buy one of these and then file for the tax stamp, so that I could hopefully put a stock on it. Not sure if that's a good idea or not, as I'm very new to all this and the laws can be confusing.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:07 am to Easye921
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In short? Yes. You can now put a pistol brace to your shoulder. Over the years the ATF has gone back and forth over what they want to allow, but AR pistols are allowed to be fired from the shoulder.
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In 2014 when all the AR pistol jargon started to upset politicians, the ATF decided that even when firing from the shoulder, an AR pistol does not classify as an SBR. Ruling that that weapons are classified on their physical design characteristics and not usage/functionality.
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After previously ruling that shouldering an AR pistol was perfectly fine without a Form 1; the ATF tried to calm the tempers of the anti-2nd Amendment politicians, and made it illegal to shoulder an AR pistol. Claiming that once shouldered the AR pistol became an SBR; anyone without a Form 1 and paid tax stamp could be indicted on serious federal charges for shouldering a pistol brace.
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The ruling in 2015 thankfully didn’t stand long as the idea of re-classifying a weapon system based on how you hold it didn’t quite seem reasonable (much like the majority of other firearm restrictions…but I digress), and in 2019 the fine citizens of the U S of A were given a “final ruling” by the ATF. The ruling reads as follows:
“To the extent the January 2015 Open Letter implied or has been construed to hold that incidental, sporadic, or situational ‘use’ of an arm-brace (in its original approved configuration) equipped firearm from a firing position at or near the shoulder was sufficient to constitute a ‘redesign,’ such interpretations are incorrect and not consistent with ATF’s interpretation of the statute or the manner in which it has historically been enforced.”
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However, the ATF used terms like incidental, sporadic, and situational; meaning essentially that your use of your AR pistol is open to the ATF’s interpretation. So as some advice, don’t be drawing a lot of attention to yourself when shooting from the shoulder—just to be on the safe side.
Link to source.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:11 am to Easye921
just put stocks on ur pistols thats what i done to 6 of mine
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:19 am to Easye921
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My plan was to buy one of these and then file for the tax stamp, so that I could hopefully put a stock on it.
I was originally going to say I wouldn't buy a 556 pistol unless you were filing for at least one preferably two tax stamps. Your plan of getting the 10.5 and filling for a stamp is a good plan is half way there. One more tax stamp and you will have a great home defense weapon.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:31 am to DeoreDX
What do I need the second tax stamp for, suppressor? How do you guys feel about buying used? My buddy at work says it's a bad idea.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:43 am to Easye921
DD is good stuff but expensive, you can buy much cheaper kits, minus the lower if that is your thing.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:50 am to Easye921
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That's what I'm looking at. The Daniel defense is 10.5 and the bravo company one is 11.5. My plan was to buy one of these and then file for the tax stamp, so that I could hopefully put a stock on it. Not sure if that's a good idea or not, as I'm very new to all this and the laws can be confusing.
You could do this but it all depends on what you want to do with it. The braces now are as good as a regular stock unless you want a folder.
The advantage of it being a pistol is that you have a lot more flexibility in how and where you are allowed to carry it in tons of states.
Lots of states you cant have a loaded rifle in your car. And in most it cant be accessible. You can have loaded pistols accessible.
Most if not all states you cant conceal a loaded rifle in your car or on person. You can with a pistol.
Just as examples.
This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 10:53 am
Posted on 7/13/20 at 10:59 am to Easye921
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How do you guys feel about buying used? My buddy at work says it's a bad idea.
Why would buying used be a bad idea?
I have a several used guns. as long as it is in decent or better shape, giddyup
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:07 am to Easye921
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:21 am to lsufan1971
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I would stay away from 7.5 inch 5.56 barrel length. Get a 10.5”. The 7.5 looses too much velocity and will blow your eardrums out inside a house.
So I guess the same would be true for a 300 BLK in 7in?
What are y'alls thoughts on Q ARs?
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:25 am to S1C EM
Shorty 300BLK is much tamer than 556
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:28 am to S1C EM
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So I guess the same would be true for a 300 BLK in 7in?
No, totally different.
.300blk was design for use in a 8.5" barrel
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What are y'alls thoughts on Q ARs?
The honey badger is one of the best made .300 blk and it is the lightest one.
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:35 am to bbvdd
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No, totally different.
.300blk was design for use in a 8.5" barrel
Oh, that's good to know. I'm not well-informed on the larger/rifle cartridges.
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The honey badger is one of the best made .300 blk and it is the lightest one.
Would you venture into a Sugar Weasel?
Posted on 7/13/20 at 11:49 am to Easye921
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What do I need the second tax stamp for, suppressor?
A short barreled rifle, more accurately.
Suppressors always require a stamp. If, when you remove all removable muzzle devices, the barrel is < 16" or the total length of the weapon is <26", then you need the second stamp for the short barreled rifle. Removable muzzle devices are basically any device that is not pinned and welded to the barrel. This includes flash hiders, compensators, brakes, suppressors, etc.
For instance, I am building a short rifle with an 8" barrel and will be mounting a suppressor on it, but will not be welding it to the barrel. One stamp for the rifle. One stamp for the suppressor.
I have another barrel in NFA jail right now that has an integrally suppressed barrel that is made of an 8" barrel with about an 8.3" suppressor welded onto it. Total length > 16", so only one stamp because I can't take the suppressor off of the barrel. As long as I don't mount it on an action and stock that is less than about 10" long (to ensure total length > 26"), I don't need a stamp for a short barreled rifle even though the actual rifled barrel is only 8" long.
This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 11:55 am
Posted on 7/13/20 at 12:06 pm to S1C EM
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Would you venture into a Sugar Weasel?
Yep. doesn't have the really good trigger as the honey badger it's not a billet receiver and the stock is the SBA3 instead of Qs proprietary stock.
I don't think it has the radian charging handle either
Posted on 7/13/20 at 3:35 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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I have another barrel in NFA jail right now that has an integrally suppressed barrel that is made of an 8" barrel with about an 8.3" suppressor welded onto it. Total length > 16", so only one stamp because I can't take the suppressor off of the barrel. As long as I don't mount it on an action and stock that is less than about 10" long (to ensure total length > 26"), I don't need a stamp for a short barreled rifle even though the actual rifled barrel is only 8" long.
The Mark 18 pistol has a total length of 28 5/8", so I would just need the one stamp if I want to put a stock on it, right?
This post was edited on 7/13/20 at 3:37 pm
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