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re: CWD and Deer Farming- Meeting moved to April 8th
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:28 pm to AFtigerFan
Posted on 4/3/26 at 9:28 pm to AFtigerFan
Decimated? Maybe not. I don’t think that’s the correct concern to have, though.
CWD prevalence rates high enough that the chances of hunting a trophy buck are zero? Absolutely.
Rates high enough to make eating deer meat a gamble? Definitely.
Armageddon is not the absence of deer. It’s merely the absence of widely appealing deer HUNTING.
CWD prevalence rates high enough that the chances of hunting a trophy buck are zero? Absolutely.
Rates high enough to make eating deer meat a gamble? Definitely.
Armageddon is not the absence of deer. It’s merely the absence of widely appealing deer HUNTING.
This post was edited on 4/3/26 at 9:40 pm
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Posted on 4/4/26 at 7:38 am to turkish
quote:I guess that’s what asking. Where is the proof that mass deaths of deer occur from CWD? Theory is one thing but actual evidence is another. Has there been published proof that CWD is killing massive amounts of deer? Have deer herds, or the age structure of deer herds actually been significantly negatively impacted? Have herds been eradicated by CWD? If so, then we should have evidence and peer reviewed studies showing this.
CWD prevalence rates high enough that the chances of hunting a trophy buck are zero? Absolutely.
For the record, I’m not one that believes CWD and its impacts are a hoax. But I do believe evidence needs to be provided because the usual response to CWD is to kill a lot of deer. Is that necessary if CWD isn’t killing the deer off like expected?
Posted on 4/4/26 at 4:07 pm to AFtigerFan
It’s 100% fatal within about 2 years and some hot zones have over 50% prevalence. I don’t need to know much else to believe its potential is concerning.
The reason agencies often promote killing lots of deer when it’s detected is an attempt to slow its spread. No idea if that’s the right approach. Seems logical. I think it’s too early to tell how effective that is compared to other strategies.
The reason agencies often promote killing lots of deer when it’s detected is an attempt to slow its spread. No idea if that’s the right approach. Seems logical. I think it’s too early to tell how effective that is compared to other strategies.
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 4/4/26 at 5:01 pm to turkish
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The reason agencies often promote killing lots of deer when it’s detected is an attempt to slow its spread. No idea if that’s the right approach. Seems logical. I think it’s too early to tell how effective that is compared to other strategies.
Correct. There are two sides to this issue and neither side has been proven to be the CLEAR winner yet.
Slow the spread theory is reduce the deer density, reduces spread rate, which keeps less of the prions from getting into the environment and is no cure but hopefully at worst delays the end of deer hunting at best give us time for a remedy to be discovered.
This theory does work but it doesn't stop the spread and opponents hammer them on this pointing and saying it doesn't work.
The other theory
quote:says we need to do testing to identify and then promote the genes that help. They argue that the slow the spread theory greatly slows the natural selection process which could lead to better resistant CWD genetics. Which is true if there are indeed genetics that are more resistant. Slow the spread theory would postpone natural resistance by 10's of thousands of years.
Resistance Theory
Which is right. I do not know. I only have my hopes and beliefs.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 5:12 pm to turkish
quote:This is being said, and it may very well be true. But every time hunters ask for proof of this, they typically get the just trust me answer. Can you provide a link to the peer-reviewed studies that support this? If true, there has to be published work on it. I’m not trying to be obtuse, but being an actual published researcher, I’m of the belief that these types of claims need evidence.
It’s 100% fatal within about 2 years
Posted on 4/4/26 at 6:43 pm to AFtigerFan
When you were published, did you do your own lit search? Im joking.
Your questions are fair. Im usually a skeptic, but I’m also of the opinion that the modern deer hunter lacks foresight as bad as any demographic in our society. The CWD ‘measures’ that impact me seem like common sense. I’ve heard enough from people I trust to believe there is a reasonable consensus on this. You may think that’s naive.
With that said, ChatGPT gave me a pretty lengthy list. I don’t intend to debate their merits or demerits. After a few iterations to condense…
• Miller & Williams (2003/2004)
• Williams et al. (2002)
• Haley & Hoover (2015)
• Edmunds et al. (2016)
• DeVivo et al. (2017)
Your questions are fair. Im usually a skeptic, but I’m also of the opinion that the modern deer hunter lacks foresight as bad as any demographic in our society. The CWD ‘measures’ that impact me seem like common sense. I’ve heard enough from people I trust to believe there is a reasonable consensus on this. You may think that’s naive.
With that said, ChatGPT gave me a pretty lengthy list. I don’t intend to debate their merits or demerits. After a few iterations to condense…
• Miller & Williams (2003/2004)
• Williams et al. (2002)
• Haley & Hoover (2015)
• Edmunds et al. (2016)
• DeVivo et al. (2017)
This post was edited on 4/4/26 at 7:00 pm
Posted on 4/4/26 at 7:01 pm to turkish
quote:Ha! I laughed at that, I can’t lie. Of course I did my own lit review and I’ve been scouring literature on CWD so I can get smarter on it. My personal belief is that it can cause severe herd decline. I’m just trying to find studies that support it that can’t have its findings torn apart due to weaknesses. That’s been hard to find. Even the Wyoming study has its issues.
When you were published, did you do your own lit search? Im joking.
The best one I’ve found shows deer behavior with CWD significantly changes from those without about 6 months prior to them dying. I was just trying to find something that supports the herd decimation theory.
I’m definitely not trying to argue with anyone on here about it, so thanks for listing a few potential articles. And I also agree with you, most hunters keep their head in the sand when it comes to this, even if they are given data/research/evidence that goes against what they want to believe.
Posted on 4/4/26 at 8:12 pm to AFtigerFan
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This is being said, and it may very well be true. But every time hunters ask for proof of this, they typically get the just trust me answer. Can you provide a link to the peer-reviewed studies that support this? If true, there has to be published work on it. I’m not trying to be obtuse, but being an actual published researcher, I’m of the belief that these types of claims need evidence.
It is hard to say. I doubt there is a definitive hard number answer. But to expound on this topic a bit. I my humble opinion the faster the death the better. This removes deer that are infected more quickly and prevents them from spreading the prions as much.
I haven't read the research but unless they somehow know the time of infection then they can't really say how long. When deer are tested results can be positive or not found/not detected. They NEVER says the tested deer was found to be CWD free.
This is because in the early stages the chance of finding a prion is like finding a needle in a hay stack. Until there are enough needles they usually don't find any needles even when some are there.
Posted on 4/20/26 at 11:28 am to omegaman66
LINK
Good ol Louisiana politics.
Two of the legislators on the CWD task force introduced a bill to basically halt everything for 18 months Bill went in the day before the meeting Task force members didn’t even know
Good ol Louisiana politics.
Two of the legislators on the CWD task force introduced a bill to basically halt everything for 18 months Bill went in the day before the meeting Task force members didn’t even know
Posted on 4/20/26 at 12:56 pm to Ron Cheramie
Just another Louisiana “Task Farce” 
Pogie Task Farce
Oyster Task Farce
Snapper Task Farce
CWD Task Farce
Baiting Task Farce
Pogie Task Farce
Oyster Task Farce
Snapper Task Farce
CWD Task Farce
Baiting Task Farce
Posted on 4/20/26 at 1:13 pm to omegaman66
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Resistance Theory
says we need to do testing to identify and then promote the genes that help. They argue that the slow the spread theory greatly slows the natural selection process which could lead to better resistant CWD genetics
Resistance and ID origin is how the scrapie eradication worked. The problem with it for CWD is 1. Tracing and Isolation is not possible and 2. From what I've seen deemed "resistance" is simply living with the disease longer.
Living longer with the disease would be a worse scenario because it would allow them more chance to spread the disease.
CWD is a turd sandwich. No good choices for control and no real answers to give to the public.
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