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re: Cottonmouth or Copperhead?

Posted on 11/9/18 at 2:50 am to
Posted by LSUCouyon
ONTHELAKEATDELHI, La.
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 11/9/18 at 2:50 am to
Copperhead. I’ve seen enough of them.
Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
Member since Aug 2011
8606 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 5:09 am to
quote:

Copperhead.


Nope
Posted by LSUCouyon
ONTHELAKEATDELHI, La.
Member since Oct 2006
11329 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 6:35 am to
Yep, lol
Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
Member since Aug 2011
8606 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 7:03 am to
It’s nkt a copperhead. The pattern is wrong. Educate yourself, you’re never too old lo learn something
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81625 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 7:10 am to
quote:

Copperhead. I’ve seen enough of them.
Did you read the thread?
Posted by LSUCouyon
ONTHELAKEATDELHI, La.
Member since Oct 2006
11329 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 7:21 am to
Still think it’s a copperhead. I’ve never seen a cottonmouth with that color.

I have a picture of a juvenile snake That I wish I could post on here.
Never seen one quite like that one. Really colorful, thinking copperhead but who knows anymore. Actually very pretty with green tail. Very aggressive.
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
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Posted on 11/9/18 at 7:24 am to
GDKC!
Posted by porkrind
Hog Jaw
Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 11/9/18 at 7:28 am to
My vote is for a hybrid cottonhead. Yes... that actually exists. The two species interbreed when they cannot find a mate of the same species.
Posted by Dorothy
Munchkinland
Member since Oct 2008
18153 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 8:06 am to
OP's pics have the side band on the face like a cottonmouth and the jagged pattern is closer to that of a cottonmouth.

From Louisianaherps.com:
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Juvenile Cottonmouths are often confused for juvenile Copperheads due to their vibrant pattern that usually darkens quickly as it matures. Notice below, however, that the pattern of the juvenile Cottonmouth is much more jagged than that of the juvenile Copperhead. There is also more spotting and such within the bands of the juvenile Cottonmouth than the juvenile Copperhead. Lastly, the thick black bar that runs through the eye and is bordered below by a thin white line is absent in the juvenile Copperhead.



From Living Alonside Wildlife:

quote:

Cottonmouth patterns are superficially similar to that of Copperheads, but the hourglass bands of a Cottonmouth are not as precise as those of Copperheads: they are messy, the lines are blurred, and sometimes there are other shapes thrown in there as well.

Baby Cottonmouths are as strikingly and vividly patterned as Copperheads, they do not become dark and lose their pattern until later in life. Just because the patterns on a baby Agkistrodon are clear does not mean it is a Copperhead. This is where it's important to see if the hourglasses are messy or not. Again, Copperhead bands are relatively crisp, Cottonmouth bands are not.

Cottonmouths have a dark band on their face that runs through their eye.
Copperheads do not


Juvenile cottonmouth


Posted by LSUfanNkaty
LC, Louisiana
Member since Jan 2015
11102 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 8:56 am to
quote:

Juvenile cottonmouth.



/thread
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21692 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:08 am to
quote:

My vote is for a hybrid cottonhead. Yes... that actually exists. The two species interbreed when they cannot find a mate of the same species.


But, why would you think it's a super rare hybrid when it looks exactly like a normal cottonmouth?

Posted by friday1728
Member since May 2014
43 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:18 am to
I think people, in general, want to see things that are special or rare. Hell, part of me wanted it to be a copperhead just so I could tell people that I saw one. But in reality, the most reasonable answer is probably the correct answer.

Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81625 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:19 am to
Not that I am defending these people, but it can be surprising how light some cottonmouths are. In my area, they are pretty dark, even when young.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21692 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 9:25 am to
quote:

Not that I am defending these people, but it can be surprising how light some cottonmouths are. In my area, they are pretty dark, even when young.


Yeah, I think a lot of people see dark cottonmouths and think that's what they always look like. They can vary by age, locality, and just by individual. Young ones, especially, do look pretty similar to copperheads in most cases. They're in the same genus and pretty closely related, which is why they CAN (but rarely do) hybridize.
Posted by Cump11b
Member since Sep 2018
2026 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:14 am to
Looks like a Copperhead snake. Cottonmouths have a different pattern over their body. The inside of the mouth will tell you which it is.
Posted by Cump11b
Member since Sep 2018
2026 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:15 am to
WTF did you do, have a photo shoot with it before decapitating it? Ballsy.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21692 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:23 am to
quote:

Looks like a Copperhead snake.


I think the OB is trying to see how far it can push me before I stab somebody.
Posted by jorconalx
alexandria
Member since Aug 2011
8606 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:37 am to
quote:

I think the OB is trying to see how far it can push me before I stab somebody.



Do it, please! I nominate boat motor bandit as your first victim
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81625 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 10:40 am to
Is there a Sonic half way between BR and you?
Posted by friday1728
Member since May 2014
43 posts
Posted on 11/9/18 at 11:05 am to
quote:

WTF did you do, have a photo shoot with it before decapitating it? Ballsy.


Sure did. I wasn't that close, though. Gotta love camera quality on these new phones. I actually almost stepped on the thing, right over the top of it barefooted. I saw it out of the corner of my eye and thought it was a stick. But, there shouldn't have been any sticks in that area of the yard.

The snake never moved the whole time.

The inside of the mouth was bright white. It opened up when the shovel got it.
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