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choupiquesushi
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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
what do the guys that hunt cat have against paying for where they hunt like everyone else that hunts anything but NWR, WMA and school board lands(not leased)... or leasing their spots from the state or landowner?


White Bear
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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
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As stated in the ruling, most of the land now considered Catahoula Lake would become private land again, reverting back to the landowners surrounding the lake.
Was the lake formerly privately owned? I guess I could search the SLO but figured you know. thx.

Boy, if the Corpse of Engineers would drop the pool level of the Black during the growing season, talk about increase fowl habitat in the entire area all the way into South Arkie.


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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
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Was the lake formerly privately owned? I guess I could search the SLO but figured you know. thx.
Decent discussion here.

This part just adds to the confusion:
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Upon joining the Union in 1812, Louisiana “acquired title, by virtue of its inherent authority, to the beds of navigable water bodies situated within its boundaries.”[8] Additionally, much of the Catahoula Basin was specifically designated as “swampland” and transferred to the state by the federal government under the Swampland Acts of 1849 and 1850.[9] Both the plaintiff landowners and the State stipulated in Crooks that Catahoula Lake was navigable in 1812;[10] therefore, Louisiana acquired ownership of the water body up to its ordinary high-water mark upon admission to the Union and had the power to determine the rights of the riparian owners.


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AlxTgr
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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
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what do the guys that hunt cat have against paying for where they hunt like everyone else that hunts anything but NWR, WMA and school board lands(not leased)... or leasing their spots from the state or landowner?


Strange question. 1. I have no idea. 2. why would you even ask this?


choupiquesushi
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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
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what do the guys that hunt cat have against paying for where they hunt like everyone else that hunts anything but NWR, WMA and school board lands(not leased)... or leasing their spots from the state or landowner?

Strange question. 1. I have no idea. 2. why would you even ask this?
cuz of the tone of many of the ones bitching about losing their free place... and how it's all about the money...and they being pretty adamant about not paying anything to anyone... verbiage of the CL Game and fish preserve notwithstanding.


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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
Jeff Landry joins the fight.

Landry urges Supreme Ct.

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“The Crooks case is one of the greatest threats to Louisiana’s hunters and fishermen,” said General Landry. “In addition to jeopardizing the public’s right to access and use many Louisiana waterways for hunting, fishing, and habitat conservation - the suit also potentially could cost the State’s taxpayers tens of millions of dollars.”

“While we were successful in having $18 million in attorney’s fees struck down by the appellate court, it is crucial that the Louisiana Supreme Court completely overturn the district court’s decision,” explained General Landry. “If that does not happen, decades of well-reasoned precedent will be disrupted and our State will be exposed to over $40 million in damages. What’s more: it would endanger the rights of Louisiana sportsmen to access large swaths of water in Catahoula Lake and other lakes like it.”

“The lower courts’ decisions would penalize important habitat management efforts that benefit sportsman and would unfairly restrict public access to these waters by literally changing the definition of a ‘lake,’” added General Landry. “I am dedicated to protecting the rights of sportsmen to both access and harvest from our State’s bountiful waters. My office and I will continue to do all we legally can to do just that.”



KemoSabe65
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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
I applaud Landry for keeping Gov Honor Code down but have zero applause for this battle.


AlxTgr
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but have zero applause for this battle.


Why?


choupiquesushi
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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
If it is in fact "public" water bottoms, nobody should be able to "claim" a spot.


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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
That's not at issue.


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White Bear
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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
Bump - any new developments? thx.


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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
Writ app filed. Nothing from the Supremes yet.


Download writ app here.


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KemoSabe65
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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
I am a property owner and believe in property rights as an inalienable right. COE took private property by way of their flood control with zero compensation for property taken.
Would bet this gets kicked back down so someone better start negotiating an equitable settlement for that original taking.
Nothing would make me happier than the COE to get slapped down again.


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I am a property owner and believe in property rights as an inalienable right.


so you don't believe in eminent domain?


omegaman66
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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
Sounds like the land owners should lose this case. By my past experience, I think this means they will win this case! La. is so f'ed up when it comes to property ownership laws it isn't even close to funny.


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AlxTgr
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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
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COE took private property by way of their flood control with zero compensation for property taken.
They absolutely did not.


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KemoSabe65
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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
I believe that there should be extremely strong evidence of a public need before eminent domain is used to take. Building an apartment building or golf course isn't a reason for eminent domain, which happens more times than not.

So tell me where the original boundaries of Little river came to prior to the diversion canal and locks? How many miles is it from Stock Landing to the river @ French Forks?


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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
Little river no longer had an identity as a river once it entered Catahoula lake.
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How many miles is it from Stock Landing to the river @ French Forks?


6.56


KemoSabe65
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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
If there were no flood control structures in place, what would the high water mark be from the stream that flows through the body of land we now call Catahoula Lake?
We had a farm that bordered Bayou Bartholomew and is flooded by 40-50% every spring. If the COE were to build a control structure that caused this property to flood and then called it a lake, would the owner be entitled to compensation?


Ron Cheramie
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re: Catahoula Lake could become off limits to duck hunters
no dog in fight and change of subject but when Toledo bend reservoir was made, did they compensate the landowners? anyone know?

only thing close to eminent domain I know of recently is when peason ridge expanded

they didnt have to use eminent domain because everyone agreed to the compensation for their loss of land


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