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re: Boat wreck at Smith Lake today - UPDATE three confirmed deaths
Posted on 4/20/25 at 7:25 am to The Torch
Posted on 4/20/25 at 7:25 am to The Torch
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Do these guys run using electronics mostly without watching where they are going ?
I have a friend who definitely spends more time looking at his screen than where he is going. He has his paths through the marsh he knows he can run and there's no real reference to see in the water so he's laser focused on staying on his tracks.
Posted on 4/20/25 at 8:35 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Well both can't be true, if they are 70 or 80 mph like some claim then they aren't watching their electronics. No gps/bottom reader is accurate at those speeds.
Posted on 4/20/25 at 8:44 am to TxWadingFool
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70 or 80 mph like some claim then they aren't watching their electronics. No gps/bottom reader is accurate at those speeds.
GPS is absolutely accurate at those speeds. Tons of pilots use it to track their airplanes in real time navigation.
It's true that bottom machines don't work at those speeds. But he could have been watching his chartplotter map and it would have been accurate
Posted on 4/20/25 at 3:50 pm to CP3
Running in fog with radar is no picnic either
Posted on 4/20/25 at 5:07 pm to TutHillTiger
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Running in fog with radar is no picnic either
This is so true. I don't care what new tech there is that claims to "change the game"...But when it comes to driving, whether it be on the road, on the water, or in the air, I am going take as much caution as possible and trust my eyes. If that means I can't see 10 feet ahead of me, well, I'm going very slow to make sure I can react to what I see.
This post was edited on 4/20/25 at 5:08 pm
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:25 am to SlackMaster
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This. They believe that running via GPS will keep them from obstacles but that doesn’t account for other boats. I speak from experience. A dumbass decision almost killed me.
GPS also does not indicate that tree that fell last night that is blocking 2/3s of the channel this morning.....or worse that semi submerged log that fell last week up river and is now just below the boat ramp you running from on a plane.....
I have done it, I suspect we all have, but its not a good idea and not worth the risk.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:35 am to GooDat
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bullshite, not even close to the same thing
You are responsible for your boat and it's wake. People can legally fish wherever they want to, it is your legal obligation to not hit them. The people fishing have the same rights as the a-hole bass guys hauling arse whether its on a straight away or a curve. Hopefully the basshole catches charges and jail time to think about his actions and won't drive like an a-hole if he's ever on the water again.
So one is not supposed to fish bends in rivers on the off chance that someone comes around the bend at a rate of speed that makes it impossible for them to avoid hitting the fisherman? Thats fricking insane. First off bends of rivers is where the fish are. The outside of a bend is slower and deeper and is liable to hold all sorts of structure. Second of all, and folks from Louisiana know this as much as anyone, if you are looking for a straight stretch of water on a river in most of the south good luck....most of them do anything but flow in a straight line....most of them look like a drunk 5 year old drew them on a map....a rived that covers 100 miles in a straight line will be 400 miles long....I don't think anyone would conclude its a bad idea to fish a bend in a river while most people would certainly contend it is a bad idea to go hell bent for leather around a blind bend in a river cause its a fricking blind bend...no telling what might be in the water....
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:40 am to ElDawgHawg
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ut it's pretty frustrating to the guys fishing a tournament that they have to burn time in their day to idle through areas they should be able to run.
If the area is choked with other boats it ain't an area where they should be able to run....unless of course they own the body of water and then the other boats are trespassing. This is akin to property owners getting pissed about people fishing their docks....if the lake is owned by the public it is the boat operators responsibility not to run into shite. Or allow their wake to damage property and endanger lives. It doesn't make a difference if it is a tournament angler and there are thousands of dollars on the line...they chose to go into a line of work where they are going to operate a boat, often times on public bodies or water where there are other boats....if it is too frustrating they can get a job selling fishing tackle or something, anything that prevents them running down people in their boats because they are fishing a tournament....
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:42 am to ElDawgHawg
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NO... but it sounds like he could have used better judgement and maybe delayed the trip an hour or two until visibility was better.
Very well could have started before fog set in....I have done it many times, especially striper fishing on large COE lakes...making bait before daylight and setting up to fish and around sunrise fog will roll in for a short period of time....it can't be helped, fog happens. What can be helped is speeding in fog.....boats will idle as well as run on a plane.....
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:48 am to ElDawgHawg
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Don't you love how its the Bass Boat guys that are always to blame.
110+ boat tournament on the lake and I guarantee every ramp on the lake was slam full. I have never understood why people do that. If I know there's a tournament on a lake, I'm 100% going somewhere else that day if not fishing the tournament. Why fish in a crowd, Alabama is SLAM FULL of lakes.
a 110 boat tournament on most COE engineer lakes would not be noticeably different than any other weekend day on that lake during the spring and summer. I live near and fish one of the largest COE lakes in the US and there is at least one major tournament a month on this lake and often times there will be 3-4 club or high school / college tournaments going on simultaneously. No matter the tournament or how many are going on there is not a noticable increase in traffic on Saturday and Sunday. It might be that they should not fish large tournaments on weekends, especially on public bodies of water.
I have about come to the conclusion that tournaments ought to not happen at all. The misinformation about catch and release fishing that tournaments are based on alone makes them questionably sustainable, especially with new technology....
Posted on 4/21/25 at 8:50 am to ElDawgHawg
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Totally missed my point. Listen to the David Kilgore interview. He said he saw the boat and first thing he said was "that boat is in a bad spot"
First thought ought to have been "get off the fricking throttle moron"
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:02 am to baldona
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You can see his trolling motor in the water.
Its fairly crazy that he was hit under those conditions. Its also crazy that there is a camera on damn near everything these days.
I wouldn't doubt the bass fisherman was on his phone while driving. Probably not paying attention, or putting in coordinates or something. Its an inexcusable tragedy.
Given those conditions i'm also honestly shocked all 3 men passed. I'd have thought they would have seen and heard the boat coming and at least one of them could have jumped out of the way. Terrible.
Bass boat driver must have been asleep. Thats a heaping pile of water on either side of the dam CC.....judging from the map you could probably be on a plane a couple of feet off the point all the way over to the other side of the lake....the center console is what, 30 feet long, while the navigable width of water at that point. according to Navionics, is almost 2000 feet across LOL. He literally had 1970 feet of water he could have occupied and not hit anyone. Maybe 1800 depending on the lake level but still there is PLENTY of lake there to avoid another boat, especially in the conditions in that video....no excuse, dude was asleep or doing something other than paying attention to where he was going.....
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:03 am to jorconalx
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You can see his trolling motor in the water.
Spot lock
I have been told by Georgia DNR that spot lock is under way....if the trolling motor is in the water they assume you are underway.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:04 am to The Torch
After watching the video my thoughts
Very possible the tourney kid was glancing down at the screen back and forth with looking up at the water ahead. Right where the striper boat is sitting there are white cabins/docks in the background. Running at speed and trying to cut that corner it is very likely the tourney angler looking ahead missed seeing the boat as it partially blended with the docks/cabins in the background.
Mind you this is strictly my personal assumption and in no way relieves the moving boat operator from not picking out the striper boat from the background while running at speed. As a boat operator it is your duty to be alert to any and all potential situations which can occur on the water and be ready to react accordingly. Having your eyes going back and forth between the GPS lake map and the water ahead needs to weigh more towards the water ahead w/o a doubt.
Just my dos centavos
Very possible the tourney kid was glancing down at the screen back and forth with looking up at the water ahead. Right where the striper boat is sitting there are white cabins/docks in the background. Running at speed and trying to cut that corner it is very likely the tourney angler looking ahead missed seeing the boat as it partially blended with the docks/cabins in the background.
Mind you this is strictly my personal assumption and in no way relieves the moving boat operator from not picking out the striper boat from the background while running at speed. As a boat operator it is your duty to be alert to any and all potential situations which can occur on the water and be ready to react accordingly. Having your eyes going back and forth between the GPS lake map and the water ahead needs to weigh more towards the water ahead w/o a doubt.
Just my dos centavos
This post was edited on 4/21/25 at 9:12 am
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:05 am to captdalton
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If you look at that video and still think it was because of being in a channel, thick fog, or being in a blind curve you should not operate a boat.
I fish a huge lake out of 2060 jon boat....that water is big enough at that point that I would be very careful transversing it in my boat anytime. It is anything but a tight spot....
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:18 am to AwgustaDawg
Been away from the computer pretty much all weekend and had some time to think about the accident and also have seen some new details.
Here is what I'm thinking:
1. It is looking more and more like fog wasn't a factor like originally thought.
2. If that is the case then I'm wondering if there was a steering issue or if like some have said, maybe his screens created a blind spot.
3. I also wonder if another boat besides the two involved could have played a role, I.E. coming from the other direction and one was avoiding the other. Still so many unknowns.
4.Pics of Davis' boat show a GoPro stick on the back so I'm guessing if the GoPro wasn't lost there will be a POV video and eventually the people who need to know will know what happened. Not that the public should ever see it.
5. Nitro's used to be notorious for "Sliding" when trying to steer hard at a high speed. Part of me wonders if that could have caused the issue, tried to overcorrect and lost control.... although I will say the hull damage that you could see from the news footage looked to be more of a direct hit.
6. Most importantly, the whole situation is bad. Lives were lost, a young man will have to live with this for the rest of his life, and could possibly face jail time for what happened.
And this will affect future tournaments also.
Prayers for the families for all involved.
And for the bass guys, we have to be better. I've been there, you get locked in to the next bite or the next spot and in a split second your whole life can change. Bad, Bad deal all the way around.
Here is what I'm thinking:
1. It is looking more and more like fog wasn't a factor like originally thought.
2. If that is the case then I'm wondering if there was a steering issue or if like some have said, maybe his screens created a blind spot.
3. I also wonder if another boat besides the two involved could have played a role, I.E. coming from the other direction and one was avoiding the other. Still so many unknowns.
4.Pics of Davis' boat show a GoPro stick on the back so I'm guessing if the GoPro wasn't lost there will be a POV video and eventually the people who need to know will know what happened. Not that the public should ever see it.
5. Nitro's used to be notorious for "Sliding" when trying to steer hard at a high speed. Part of me wonders if that could have caused the issue, tried to overcorrect and lost control.... although I will say the hull damage that you could see from the news footage looked to be more of a direct hit.
6. Most importantly, the whole situation is bad. Lives were lost, a young man will have to live with this for the rest of his life, and could possibly face jail time for what happened.
And this will affect future tournaments also.
Prayers for the families for all involved.
And for the bass guys, we have to be better. I've been there, you get locked in to the next bite or the next spot and in a split second your whole life can change. Bad, Bad deal all the way around.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 9:25 am to AwgustaDawg
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have been told by Georgia DNR that spot lock is under way....if the trolling motor is in the water they assume you are underway.
Although, I have been told I can be DWI eligible while trolling with the main engine off and the key not even in the boat, so I guess that applies in louisiana as well.
BUT, it doesn't matter in this case. Vessel maneverability matters and a center console under trolling motor power only would always be the stand on vessel when the other is under outboard power.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 10:55 am to SCwTiger
It is interesting to go back and read this from the beginning.
Who and how did the “thick fog” and “blind curve” rumors start?
One rule that could be implemented that would increase safety would be to make it a tournament rule that electronics can only be used at idle speed/no wake or when the big motor is off.. That would keep guys from running 80 mph with their heads buried in their chart plotter, oblivious to what is around and in front of them. Need to use your GPS to navigate? Cool, you can. At idle speed. But at 75 mph you move over 100’ per second. If you look down at the screen for three seconds you have travelled a football field. If visibility is so bad you have to rely on your chart plotter you need to slow down. If you are so unfamiliar with a body of water you have to rely on your chart plotter you need to slow down.
Who and how did the “thick fog” and “blind curve” rumors start?
One rule that could be implemented that would increase safety would be to make it a tournament rule that electronics can only be used at idle speed/no wake or when the big motor is off.. That would keep guys from running 80 mph with their heads buried in their chart plotter, oblivious to what is around and in front of them. Need to use your GPS to navigate? Cool, you can. At idle speed. But at 75 mph you move over 100’ per second. If you look down at the screen for three seconds you have travelled a football field. If visibility is so bad you have to rely on your chart plotter you need to slow down. If you are so unfamiliar with a body of water you have to rely on your chart plotter you need to slow down.
Posted on 4/21/25 at 11:15 am to No Colors
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GPS is absolutely accurate at those speeds
Technically, it depends on the specific GPS module in the electronics. They have different specifications for what speeds they will hold track(s).
Posted on 4/21/25 at 11:43 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Although, I have been told I can be DWI eligible while trolling with the main engine off and the key not even in the boat, so I guess that applies in louisiana as well.
BUT, it doesn't matter in this case. Vessel maneverability matters and a center console under trolling motor power only would always be the stand on vessel when the other is under outboard power.
This is how they told me LOL...I was spot locked and slip bobber fishing a brush pile and drinking a beer when they checked licenses and told me, in passing, that drinking while operating a boat was illegal - they weren't ugly about it, more or less like a PSA....and then he told me that if the trolling motor was on I was underway and someone had better be operating the boat LOL. They were very friendly about it - not intending to write me a ticket or anything, just reminding me that someone else might take a dimmer view.
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