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Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:05 pm to D500MAG
You didn't answer the question. Answer the question.
Do you understand what that money is used for? What do you expect outdoorsmen to see? The actual dollars? Or the dollars being used?
Even if P-R was replaced with your plan, do you really think the cost of guns and ammo is decreasing by 10%? I doubt it. We've been so accustomed to paying that price, that the manufacturers will just put it in their pockets.
Do you understand what that money is used for? What do you expect outdoorsmen to see? The actual dollars? Or the dollars being used?
Even if P-R was replaced with your plan, do you really think the cost of guns and ammo is decreasing by 10%? I doubt it. We've been so accustomed to paying that price, that the manufacturers will just put it in their pockets.
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 12:12 pm to seawolf06
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Excise taxes are an infringement no matter how small.
And this tax was pushed for and supported by sportsmen and industry when it was passed.
Some people seem to forget that. This wasn't imposed on the people by congress. This was the stakeholders saying "we need this".
These pitiful excuses for lawmakers want you to believe otherwise.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:46 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:Do you?
Do you even have a fricking clue what that money is used for?
Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:52 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:thats like saying we shouldnt repeal social security because we are so accustom to paying it.
We've been so accustomed to paying that price, that the manufacturers will just put it in their pockets.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:57 pm to CarRamrod
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Do you?
Yes. There's plenty of examples out there. They've been used for research on upland game birds, management activities...hell, Arkansas used P-R Funds to purchase land that increased the size of several WMAs. Pretty sure Louisiana used those funds for the same reason recently, although I can't remember which WMA it was.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:05 pm to CarRamrod
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thats like saying we shouldnt repeal social security because we are so accustom to paying it.
Oh really? Who's paying into social security and passing that cost on to you?
Its not even remotely the same comparison. SS is a payroll deduction. Your employer isn't paying into that and then charging you for it. You pay your part, and the employer pays their part. Repealing SS would stop the payroll deduction.
P-R taxes are paid by the manufacturer, and passed onto the consumer. The only way to guarantee lower prices on P-R taxed goods would be to write it into the law.
If you were a gun manufacturer or retailer, and this law passed, are you really going to pass up an opportunity to increase your profit margins by 10%? Most people buying guns and ammo probably don't even realize they are paying that tax.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:52 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Cowboyfan89
The commission is hereby authorized to acquire by purchase, gift, eminent domain, or otherwise, all property necessary, useful, or convenient for the use of the commission; and no funds accruing to this state from license fees paid by the fishermen and hunters shall be diverted to any other purpose than the administration, implementation, and support of hunting and fishing activities and for the
quote:of fish and wildlife.
protection, propagation, preservation, and investigation
Like I said, agencies and agents. It is working so good you have this.
Beginning June 1, 2022, visitors must have a WMA Access Permit, Senior Hunting/Fishing License, Louisiana Sportsman's Paradise License, or a Lifetime Hunting/Fishing License to visit an LDWF WMA, Refuge, or Conservation Area, including Shooting Ranges, for any reason—boating, hiking, bird watching, berry picking, fishing, hunting, shooting, etc. The WMA Access Permit only covers access onto the property—it does NOT convey hunting or fishing privileges.
A permit for access to public property. How state of the art are the shooting ranges?
I don't care if the price of firearms or ammo doesn't go down if the tax goes away. The manufacturers need all the help they can get to stay in business.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:33 pm to D500MAG
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D500MAG
Why are you pulling out license language? What does that have to do with who benefits from P-R Funds? Yeah, the fees generated from licenses have to be used within the department. What's your point? If they use those elsewhere, they don't get P-R Funds.
Louisiana has always had some of the cheapest licenses in the country. LDWF biologists are some of the worst paid people I know, even in government circles. People constantly bitch about the condition of WMAs, and then bitch about a permit where the fees specifically go to WMA administration.
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The manufacturers need all the help they can get to stay in business.
Winchester turned something like a $550 million profit last year. But yeah, they need all the help they can get to stay in business.
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I don't care if the price of firearms or ammo doesn't go down if the tax goes away.
So frick conservation, and HOORAY big business. So the only reason you want the tax gone is because you think it's being wasted, right? You don't care if you actually save any money.
Some of you guys crack me up with these takes.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:36 pm to Cowboyfan89
I don't hunt or fish. Why should my firearms be subject to an excise tax that benefits hunters and fishermen?
Increase license fees to shoulder that burden if you care that much. Bet you'd cry about that, though.
Everyone hates taxes until they benefit from them at someone else's expense.
Increase license fees to shoulder that burden if you care that much. Bet you'd cry about that, though.
Everyone hates taxes until they benefit from them at someone else's expense.
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:43 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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Why should my firearms be subject to an excise tax that benefits hunters and fishermen
The funds are used for ranges as well.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:45 pm to Cowboyfan89
You can't argue with coonasses about shite like this. They hate ALL taxes, ALL public land, and love a good ol FEMA handout or oil spill check because they had a captains license once in the 80's.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 4:34 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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Why should my firearms be subject to an excise tax that benefits hunters and fishermen?
How many recreational shooters do you think there were in 1937? Probably none, since it was during the Great Depression. Recreation shooting is a sport that arrived well after the passing of P-R. How do you propose someone differentiate between you and a hunter? Have you ever shot at a public range? Maybe you haven't, but many recreational shooters do.
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Increase license fees to shoulder that burden if you care that much. Bet you'd cry about that, though.
Nope, I supported the increase in license fees. Louisiana licenses are still cheap. My overall cost to hunt increased by like $5. No big deal.
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Everyone hates taxes until they benefit from them at someone else's expense.
How is it at "someone else's expense" when everyone buying firearms or ammo pays the tax? This isn't welfare.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 4:37 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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They hate ALL taxes, ALL public land,
Oh no, they love public land, but can't stand having to buy a permit for them because "muh freedom" and "muh taxes already paid for it".
Hunting is a God-given right to them, but none of them realize that our grandfathers damn near made it so that none of us even had the opportunity to hunt, because the exercise of their God-given right nearly wiped deer, turkeys, and ducks off the map. It was only because of conservation-minded individuals and laws/regulations/licensing that brought those species back.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 4:41 pm to Cowboyfan89
I just emailed my congressman about it. There are 100,000+ taxes that should go away before this one.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 5:17 pm to Cowboyfan89
LOL
I didn't talk about license language. I talked about this.
La pit rob
So, how can you have
If the Pittman-Robertson funds are being used correctly.
Never said this.
Nope, I want the tax gone because if Congress can send all that foreign aide all over the world, then Congress should pay for the care of federal land(it's own back yard). There is enough there to pay for state owned land also.
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Why are you pulling out license language? What does that have to do with who benefits from P-R Funds?
I didn't talk about license language. I talked about this.
La pit rob
So, how can you have
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People constantly bitch about the condition of WMAs, and then bitch about a permit where the fees specifically go to WMA administration.
If the Pittman-Robertson funds are being used correctly.
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So frick conservation, and HOORAY big business.
Never said this.
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So the only reason you want the tax gone is because you think it's being wasted, right?
Nope, I want the tax gone because if Congress can send all that foreign aide all over the world, then Congress should pay for the care of federal land(it's own back yard). There is enough there to pay for state owned land also.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 5:19 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Most people buying guns and ammo probably don't even realize they are paying that tax.
Sounds like taxation without representation.
Posted on 7/1/22 at 5:32 pm to D500MAG
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didn't talk about license language. I talked about this
Yeah, that's referring to license sells in the state, and the fact that the fees generated from them have to be used by the department (a requirement of P-R).
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If the Pittman-Robertson funds are being used correctly.
Because maybe it's not enough? The only dedicated dollars that went to WMAs was the permit, which was only required to hunt on a WMA, not for any other use. That has now changed.
LDWF receives no money from the general fund. They are funded by dedicated taxes and license sales.
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Never said this.
You may as well have. You're fine with paying the same amount for guns as long as it doesn't involve a tax that goes to conservation.
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Nope, I want the tax gone because if Congress can send all that foreign aide all over the world, then Congress should pay for the care of federal land(it's own back yard). There is enough there to pay for state owned land also.
Or, we could stick with the same formula that doesn't involve the current batch of swamp rats writing new legislation that will u doubtedly give them more money in their own pockets somehow.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Posted on 7/4/22 at 7:47 am to D500MAG
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Like Social Security?
No, it isn't like Social Security at all. P&R money is not allowed to go anywhere BUT. States can't use the funds unless it is for wildlife. That's how it was codified into law, it is ONLY used for wildlife/forest/nature. It is probably the only piece of legislation in the last 100 years that did its intended purpose.
Posted on 7/7/22 at 1:42 pm to Junky
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No, it isn't like Social Security at all. P&R money is not allowed to go anywhere BUT. States can't use the funds unless it is for wildlife. That's how it was codified into law, it is ONLY used for wildlife/forest/nature
ill bet. 
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