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Posted on 10/7/15 at 3:58 pm to Julienas
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However, you don't know everyone's situation - including but not limited to certain concerns with children and/or mental health issues with people in the household - so please take a step back.
I can respect that.
What others have said - good pepper spray (that Kimber looks nice, I may buy one or two, only $40), an alarm with some serious high pitched loud sirens and a dog are probably best. For your hands (I'm assuming you are an adult sized male), a bat with nails is a good weapon.
Here's the thing, whether you have a gun or not, you need to be prepared to kill any intruder that enters your home. No internet tough guy bullshite. You have a family to protect. Run through the scenarios, know what you can and cannot and will and will not do. Are you capable - physically and mentally - of hitting an intruder in the face with a bat full of nails, stabbing him, and generally just going braveheart on him? You need to be, otherwise, you end up running the risk of your weapon being taken and getting beaten or killed yourself.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 4:01 pm to BrotherEsau
Also, I looked up tire knockers on Amazon. You can get all sorts of cool shite on there that you used to not be able to get. They have black jacks/saps, brass knuckles, steel rings with spikes, all sorts of crazy hand to hand combat type stuff.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 4:03 pm to Julienas
quote:
I have also heard recently that wasp spray is effective, can spray 20 feet and will blind someone. better range than pepper spray.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 4:03 pm to Julienas
Claymores
Posted on 10/7/15 at 4:09 pm to Julienas
Saw a post on FB about keeping a can of wasp spray handy for defense. Blinds the intruder from 10-15' away, assuming you can hit him in the face with it.
ETA: didn't read the thread all the way through.
ETA: didn't read the thread all the way through.
This post was edited on 10/7/15 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 10/7/15 at 4:12 pm to BrotherEsau
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Also, I looked up tire knockers on Amazon. You can get all sorts of cool shite on there that you used to not be able to get. They have black jacks/saps, brass knuckles, steel rings with spikes, all sorts of crazy hand to hand combat type stuff.
Also you can get:
black cats, Roman Candles, screaming mimis, lady fingers, fuzz buttles, snicker bombs, church burners, finger blasters, gut busters, zippity do das, crap flappers, whistlin' bungholes, spleen splitters, whisker biscuits, honkey lighters, hoosker doos, hoosker don'ts, cherry bombs, nipsy daisers, with or without the scooter stick, and whistlin' kitty chasers
Posted on 10/7/15 at 4:20 pm to Julienas
Wasp spray.
A lot of semi drivers carry wasp spray as a defensive weapon. Many drivers can't carry a b and gun as most trucking companies don't allow weapons on their trucks. A lot of delivery customers prohibit weapons on their property. And even if a driver is licensed to CC, if you get stopped and your truck searched in Illinois, N.J., New York, and California, you could go to jail. And if you have a delivery in Canada, and Canadian customs finds a gun in your truck, they will make you make you have a very bad day.
A lot of semi drivers carry wasp spray as a defensive weapon. Many drivers can't carry a b and gun as most trucking companies don't allow weapons on their trucks. A lot of delivery customers prohibit weapons on their property. And even if a driver is licensed to CC, if you get stopped and your truck searched in Illinois, N.J., New York, and California, you could go to jail. And if you have a delivery in Canada, and Canadian customs finds a gun in your truck, they will make you make you have a very bad day.
This post was edited on 10/7/15 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 10/7/15 at 4:27 pm to Broke
quote:
Also you can get:
black cats, Roman Candles, screaming mimis, lady fingers, fuzz buttles, snicker bombs, church burners, finger blasters, gut busters, zippity do das, crap flappers, whistlin' bungholes, spleen splitters, whisker biscuits, honkey lighters, hoosker doos, hoosker don'ts, cherry bombs, nipsy daisers, with or without the scooter stick, and whistlin' kitty chasers
Got damn. And bongs and switchblades are available at gas stations. A lot has changed since I was 16.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 4:32 pm to BrotherEsau
Overall:
Large intimidating dog
Pepper Spray
Alarm system
Edged weapon that can be used in close quarters - so, wakizashi etc
(because your lady can't put much force behind it, so it should be sharp...which rules out bat, tire thumper, crowbar, etc)
In that order.
Large intimidating dog
Pepper Spray
Alarm system
Edged weapon that can be used in close quarters - so, wakizashi etc
(because your lady can't put much force behind it, so it should be sharp...which rules out bat, tire thumper, crowbar, etc)
In that order.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 4:32 pm to doublecutter
FWIW I think a bat with a nail in it is a bad idea. Both from a litigation standpoint and from a defense stand point.
It requires two hands and considerable body force to swing effectively.
It is not an agile defense weapon it is a crude bludgeoning weapon.
Nails make small puncture wounds not deep slices that cause more damage.
3" of penetration is considered the minimum deadly depth for blows to the vital organs in the thoracic cavity. Most nails (even 16D) are less than 3.5 and you will need at least .5 inch in the bat.
When you swing and it gets stuck in the wall you are now helpless.
If you are insistent on a smaller person defending themselves up close and personal from a larger more physical attacker, bludgeoning weapons are a poor choice. A single or pair of double edged long bladed weapons with an adequate hilt preventing the defenders hands from sliding forward on the blades would be much better. Adequate training would help.
It requires two hands and considerable body force to swing effectively.
It is not an agile defense weapon it is a crude bludgeoning weapon.
Nails make small puncture wounds not deep slices that cause more damage.
3" of penetration is considered the minimum deadly depth for blows to the vital organs in the thoracic cavity. Most nails (even 16D) are less than 3.5 and you will need at least .5 inch in the bat.
When you swing and it gets stuck in the wall you are now helpless.
If you are insistent on a smaller person defending themselves up close and personal from a larger more physical attacker, bludgeoning weapons are a poor choice. A single or pair of double edged long bladed weapons with an adequate hilt preventing the defenders hands from sliding forward on the blades would be much better. Adequate training would help.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 4:33 pm to Menji
quote:
because your lady can't put much force behind it, so it should be sharp
same idea simultaneously posted
Posted on 10/7/15 at 4:36 pm to BrotherEsau
quote:
I can respect that.
What others have said - good pepper spray (that Kimber looks nice, I may buy one or two, only $40), an alarm with some serious high pitched loud sirens and a dog are probably best. For your hands (I'm assuming you are an adult sized male), a bat with nails is a good weapon.
Here's the thing, whether you have a gun or not, you need to be prepared to kill any intruder that enters your home. No internet tough guy bullshite. You have a family to protect. Run through the scenarios, know what you can and cannot and will and will not do. Are you capable - physically and mentally - of hitting an intruder in the face with a bat full of nails, stabbing him, and generally just going braveheart on him? You need to be, otherwise, you end up running the risk of your weapon being taken and getting beaten or killed yourself.
Thanks. Yes, my sympathy for any intruder disappears the minute they come into my house. IDGAF what happens to them; I only care what happens to my family. Plan A - especially if it's just me (or my wife is alone) would be to GTFO if possible and call the police elsewhere. But I know that won't be a viable plan in some if not most circumstances when multiple people are home.
Wasp spray is a fantastic idea (I'm going to do some more research to make sure it's actually effective). That plus a baseball bat/hammer/pry bar should be fine. Again, I have good locks, an alarm, a dog, and know my neighbors. While I know the chances of a break-in while people are home is small, I do live more in the city so I can't discount some crazy crackhead who doesn't know where he is just barging in. I just want to know that if that ever happened then I do have a last resort of some kind that doesn't pose as much of a danger for the 99.9% chance nothing happens.
Thanks again guys
Posted on 10/7/15 at 4:39 pm to Julienas
Some high powered mace maybe?
The problem you're going to have is, anything with distance is going to be dangerous to a kid.
The problem you're going to have is, anything with distance is going to be dangerous to a kid.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 4:40 pm to Julienas
Use this
Posted on 10/7/15 at 4:57 pm to Julienas
quote:No it's not -- and it's not as effective as good pepper spray.
Wasp spray is a fantastic idea (I'm going to do some more research to make sure it's actually effective).
Google Fox Labs pepper spray. BUT if the intruders have guns (and they ALWAYS have guns), you're deluding yourself if you rely on any kind of chemical spray. And you're virtually insuring that your spouse and/or kids will be tortured, raped or murdered, if that's on the agenda of the attackers.
p.s. Everyone respects your assessment of your family situation, but it sure seems as if you're overlooking the plethora of firearms storage products that are available (and are accessible only to someone who has the combination).
Gun ownership for couples with kids anywhere between age 2 and age 12 has been a simple proposition for decades. Quality handgun vaults that will fit into a nightstand drawer are not expensive, and are impenetrable to those lacking the combination/code.
Just my $.02
Posted on 10/7/15 at 5:11 pm to belowmebama
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You will think I'm joking here but this was straight from a cop.
Get a chainsaw.
If someone breaks into your home they are thinking you MAY have a gun. If you fire up a chainsaw when they kick in the front door their mental process will go to "This mofo is gonna EAT me!!!"
.... and to think my solution as hiding right under my own nose.....
Posted on 10/7/15 at 5:14 pm to dawg23
quote:
No it's not -- and it's not as effective as good pepper spray.
Google Fox Labs pepper spray. BUT if the intruders have guns (and they ALWAYS have guns), you're deluding yourself if you rely on any kind of chemical spray. And you're virtually insuring that your spouse and/or kids will be tortured, raped or murdered, if that's on the agenda of the attackers.
p.s. Everyone respects your assessment of your family situation, but it sure seems as if you're overlooking the plethora of firearms storage products that are available (and are accessible only to someone who has the combination).
Gun ownership for couples with kids anywhere between age 2 and age 12 has been a simple proposition for decades. Quality handgun vaults that will fit into a nightstand drawer are not expensive, and are impenetrable to those lacking the combination/code.
Just my $.02
I respect this opinion - and despite my original post I may very well do this. I just want to explore ALL options first.
I'm also not very familiar with these kinds of vaults. I obviously want something that is both very accessible in the event of an emergency but ABSOLUTELY FOOLPROOF.
I was a 13 year old once; anyone who thinks they won't find stuff is delusional. So I need to know that no one can get it but me (or my wife) and that it's also accessible and FAST. Is there a thread on this I can read through?
Posted on 10/7/15 at 5:20 pm to Julienas
quote:
However, you don't know everyone's situation - including but not limited to certain concerns with... mental health issues with people in the household - so please take a step back.
I had to live in a large city for a period of time and this was a concern of mine because of with whom I was living. I had a large Rottweiler/Shepard mix as a first line of defense, then pepper spray, and then a baseball bat. I also kept a machete and knives stashed where I could get to them quickly, but without anyone else's knowledge. When I did have a gun in the house, it was without the other person's knowledge, and I usually stored the mag and ammo out of the house.
If you can't have a gun, your lines of defense are (and should be even with a gun): exterior lights, dog(s), and an alarm system. However, much overlooked is situational awareness. A lot of crime is, for lack of a better term, "invited." Don't invite it: always lock every door, never leave anything in plain sight, close your blinds, park underneath parking lot/street lamps, grow eyes in the back of your head, etc. After a while, this becomes second nature.
Posted on 10/7/15 at 5:35 pm to Julienas
Best offense is a good defense.
Get some good high count Egyptian cotton sheets to hide under.
Get some good high count Egyptian cotton sheets to hide under.
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