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ATF Form 1 Question
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 8/29/16 at 3:48 pm
I have heard that whatever size you have on your Form 1 for your suppressor you can build smaller but not larger. i.e. Form 1 says 11" suppressor, you can build 9".
Anyone hear of this or have any information they can share?
Anyone hear of this or have any information they can share?
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:08 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
no idea on suppressors. I do know on SBRs, you can go longer but not shorter.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 4:35 pm to bbvdd
For SBRs I thought it was once you register a certain length/caliber you can change to whatever you want as long as you still have the original setup as well...like if you went to sell it.
I need to do my sbr registration again...they denied at the last min because I left off the "jack" before the serial number.
I need to do my sbr registration again...they denied at the last min because I left off the "jack" before the serial number.
This post was edited on 8/29/16 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 8/29/16 at 5:12 pm to NOLAGT
Meh
I've heard SBR length doesn't really matter.
My stamp has 10.5" listed, but barrel is 8.5". From what I've read it doesn't really matter.
I've heard SBR length doesn't really matter.
My stamp has 10.5" listed, but barrel is 8.5". From what I've read it doesn't really matter.
This post was edited on 8/29/16 at 5:13 pm
Posted on 8/29/16 at 6:14 pm to Major Dutch Schaefer
Not exactly sure what you mean by 11" suppressor. Are you talking about the barrel length? I was told by several people that you can go longer, but not shorter.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 6:48 pm to 4WHLN
Form 1 allows you to manufacture a suppressor.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 7:25 pm to CP3
shite. Got my forms mixed up. 
This post was edited on 8/29/16 at 7:26 pm
Posted on 8/29/16 at 7:33 pm to 4WHLN
Your probably thinking correctly
Form 4 is if you buy a suppressor/ already built SBR
Form 1 is if you build SBR (buy lower) or BUILD suppressor. Like machine your own.
Form 4 is if you buy a suppressor/ already built SBR
Form 1 is if you build SBR (buy lower) or BUILD suppressor. Like machine your own.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 8:40 pm to bbvdd
quote:
no idea on suppressors. I do know on SBRs, you can go longer but not shorter.
This is incorrect. Once a receiver has been approved for an SBR you can legally use any barrel length upper. The caveat is you cant transfer the SBR\Form4 to another person in a configuration that is different from the original form 1.
Posted on 8/29/16 at 10:23 pm to lsufan1971
This above post is mostly correct as were a couple of the previous posts. All caveated with fhe fact that you can get a different answer from just about anyone answering the phone at ATF on any given day.
The TECHNICALLY correct answer is this. If you want to change the length of a SBR from what is on the Form 1 you are supposed to write a letter to NFA Branch listing the firearm info (s/n, model, cal) and state that you are changing the characteristics (OAL and barrel length). They then file the letter with your original Form 1. If you are going to keep the original upper as well and swap them back and forth, state that as well. FWIW, I haven't heard of anyone ever being prosecuted for having a registered SBR that doesn't match the Form 1 specs. Not even sure what Statute would apply there.
I would guess, as far as a suppressor goes, this wouldn't work because the tube is the registered part and you can't substantially modify it after manufacture (read up on damaged tubes for more on this). I know Silencerco has some cans out now that can be made shorter/longer by adding sections so all of this may be in flux as far as silencers go.
FWIW, my source for the SBR info was from the Chief of NFA Branch who was a personal friend and I asked him. So I am going to say that is a pretty solid reference.
The TECHNICALLY correct answer is this. If you want to change the length of a SBR from what is on the Form 1 you are supposed to write a letter to NFA Branch listing the firearm info (s/n, model, cal) and state that you are changing the characteristics (OAL and barrel length). They then file the letter with your original Form 1. If you are going to keep the original upper as well and swap them back and forth, state that as well. FWIW, I haven't heard of anyone ever being prosecuted for having a registered SBR that doesn't match the Form 1 specs. Not even sure what Statute would apply there.
I would guess, as far as a suppressor goes, this wouldn't work because the tube is the registered part and you can't substantially modify it after manufacture (read up on damaged tubes for more on this). I know Silencerco has some cans out now that can be made shorter/longer by adding sections so all of this may be in flux as far as silencers go.
FWIW, my source for the SBR info was from the Chief of NFA Branch who was a personal friend and I asked him. So I am going to say that is a pretty solid reference.
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