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Posted on 10/27/10 at 1:04 pm to xenon16
I know people that have gone and spent upwards of 10K total. Shells will kill you.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 1:09 pm to JackNut
For Doves shells will be your biggest expense. Figure $10/box for shells and plan on shooting at least 4 cases a day.
For ducks it's a little more straight forward. Where we went there was no limit on birds, but a limit on shells. You got 5 boxes in the morning and 3 in the evening, $10/box.
By the time you do airfare, shells, the whole deal for ducks figure $4-5K, for four days, doves would be more variable as far as where and how much you shoot.
I would be VERY leary of anything down there for $2000. FOr most people this is THE trip of a lifetime. THere are all kinds of jackleg operations down there and if you aren't careful the trip of a lifetime will turn into the nightmare of a lifetime.
For ducks it's a little more straight forward. Where we went there was no limit on birds, but a limit on shells. You got 5 boxes in the morning and 3 in the evening, $10/box.
By the time you do airfare, shells, the whole deal for ducks figure $4-5K, for four days, doves would be more variable as far as where and how much you shoot.
I would be VERY leary of anything down there for $2000. FOr most people this is THE trip of a lifetime. THere are all kinds of jackleg operations down there and if you aren't careful the trip of a lifetime will turn into the nightmare of a lifetime.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 1:25 pm to Da Hammer
seems like a waste. pretty shitty to kill that many birds for nothing. I could see maybe doing one day and then checking out the rest of the country.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 1:28 pm to diat150
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seems like a waste. pretty shitty to kill that many birds for nothing. I could see maybe doing one day and then checking out the rest of the country.
Which is why you do the Uruguay/Paraguay/Bolivia thing and kill ducks some days and perdiz on the others.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 1:37 pm to Blue Velvet
We hunt Nicaragua on the cheap. It's good for dove and awesome for ducks. Much cheaper and a four hour flight.
For those worrying about the waste, you are talking about poor countries. The locals eat every bird we kill. That might not be the case in Argentina, but I doubt much goes to waste.
Last year two guys in our group had 87 teal down in an hour. Amazing.
For those worrying about the waste, you are talking about poor countries. The locals eat every bird we kill. That might not be the case in Argentina, but I doubt much goes to waste.
Last year two guys in our group had 87 teal down in an hour. Amazing.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 1:45 pm to JackNut
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seems like a waste. pretty shitty to kill that many birds for nothing
I'd be willing to bet if you were a farmer in Argentina you'd think differently.
My dad went and said after 2 days of hunting he got tired of killing the dove. He said there is a bird boy who is running the whole time picking up birds and a boy who loads one of your two double barrels. Dad said he had golf gloves on each hand, never loaded a gun and had burn blisters on his hands just from transferring guns to the guy. Also said one guy did nothing but take down the number of shots you fired and number of birds you hit, at the end of the day the outfitter would give you a print out of your percentage. He said by the last day everyone on the hunt was shooting 95% or better. That's alot of shooting.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 2:06 pm to Richardheadtigah
Not to mention that if there are that many birds then there is a clear over-population that isn't even having a dent put in it.
It's okay to feel bad for the little birdies though. We won't judge you.
It's okay to feel bad for the little birdies though. We won't judge you.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 2:13 pm to Richardheadtigah
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Not to mention that if there are that many birds then there is a clear over-population that isn't even having a dent put in it.
Doesn't make it right. America was once overrun with Buffalo and pigeons but unrestricted hunting wiped them out. However, there are millions of doves over there, you aren't putting a dent in the population, the locals eat the doves, and the locals will be glad because the doves eat their crops. When you shoot the doves you'll see all of the farmers crops (milo, etc.) in their crops.
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I'd be willing to bet if you were a farmer in Argentina you'd think differently.
This.
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My dad went and said after 2 days of hunting he got tired of killing the dove. He said there is a bird boy who is running the whole time picking up birds and a boy who loads one of your two double barrels. Dad said he had golf gloves on each hand, never loaded a gun and had burn blisters on his hands just from transferring guns to the guy. Also said one guy did nothing but take down the number of shots you fired and number of birds you hit, at the end of the day the outfitter would give you a print out of your percentage. He said by the last day everyone on the hunt was shooting 95% or better. That's alot of shooting
Fact. They keep two guns loaded for you at all times, reload for you, bring an ice chest of beer for you, bring you a chair, count the birds you kill with a clicker, and reward the best hunter of each group at night around the campfire. I've got a hat that says "1500 Club" (for killing 1500 in a day). I feel bad about it now, but I don't regret it. What a blast.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 2:18 pm to Blue Velvet
What? You are contradicting yourself. You say the fact that there is an obvious and destructive over-population doesn't justify the the ridiculous hunts that take place?
I just don't understand your point.
I just don't understand your point.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 2:32 pm to JackNut
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You say the fact that there is an obvious and destructive over-population doesn't justify the the ridiculous hunts that take place?
I'm saying that there is no limit or control over the birds over there that I know of. Which is fun, but not necessarily ethical. Is there an over-population over there? Yes. That doesn't mean they can't go extinct in a few generations. Check out the Passenger Pigeon. I went over there and killed thousands of birds and had a good time, but now I realize it was overkill and really unnecessary. I don't regret it; I'm just saying it may not have been the right thing. I have no idea how the Argentinean government controls that shite and I am honestly curious.
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The Passenger Pigeon or Wild Pigeon (Ectopistes migratorius) is an extinct bird, which existed in North America. It lived in enormous migratory flocks – sometimes containing more than two billion birds – that could stretch one mile (1.6 km) wide and 300 miles (500 km) long across the sky, sometimes taking several hours to pass.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 2:40 pm to Blue Velvet
Passenger Pigeons were decimated not by recreational hunting, but by commercial hunting. They used nets, poisoned grain and crushed their heads with fingers and feet.
Totaly different scenario. But I get your point.
Totaly different scenario. But I get your point.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 2:40 pm to Blue Velvet
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Check out the Passenger Pigeon
I just did a quick check on the passenger pigeon. Only read from one website, so I'm not well educated on the issue. But it says that at one time there was one (1) flock of more than 2 Billion birds. That was just one flock and this was in the early 1900's. They say this bird is extinct primarily due to over hunting.
That must of been the dumbest bird in the world to have 2,000,000,000 in 1 flock and become extinct way back then when the firearms weren't as good/accurate.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 2:41 pm to JackNut
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Passenger Pigeons were decimated not by recreational hunting, but by commercial hunting. They used nets, poisoned grain and crushed their heads with fingers and feet.
Sounds better. I shoulda continued reading.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 2:44 pm to Richardheadtigah
Hahaha. I'm not saying it's wrong; it's just cause for concern. I'd like to encourage all of you to go to Argentina and kill 5,000 doves on ONE occasion (srsly). 
I'm just saying you won't have the desire to do it a second. Therefore, go kill 1,000 doves, 200 ducks, and 50 perdiz instead. 
I'm just saying you won't have the desire to do it a second. Therefore, go kill 1,000 doves, 200 ducks, and 50 perdiz instead. Posted on 10/27/10 at 2:47 pm to Blue Velvet
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I'm just saying you won't have the desire to do it a second
That's exactly what my dad said. He had a blast but said he'd never go back.
I'd love to go one day and make that decision for myself. I'm sure it's very expensive, but I'd like to go to Argentina for a week or two, hunt dove and ducks for 3-4 days then go and hunt Red Stag and Sitka Deer. They are some monsters.
Posted on 10/27/10 at 3:57 pm to Richardheadtigah
I'd go back in a flash. I can't tell you how great of a time I had down there. The dove hunting can get old after a few days, but as others have said that's why God gave us ducks.
As far as the shooting, the majority goes to feed the local communities. However not all of it some is wasted I would by lying to tell you otherwise.
However there are so many doves down there that it is a crop issue. In the province of Cordoba there are 30 Billion yes you read that right Billion doves in the breeding population. They can breed all year round down there and it's just unbelievable how many birds are down there. It's the only place I've ever been where I felt like more hunting pressure was needed for the sake of farmland.
This is just one of many pictures I took while down there for several days. You tell me how many birds are in that picture?
As far as the shooting, the majority goes to feed the local communities. However not all of it some is wasted I would by lying to tell you otherwise.
However there are so many doves down there that it is a crop issue. In the province of Cordoba there are 30 Billion yes you read that right Billion doves in the breeding population. They can breed all year round down there and it's just unbelievable how many birds are down there. It's the only place I've ever been where I felt like more hunting pressure was needed for the sake of farmland.
This is just one of many pictures I took while down there for several days. You tell me how many birds are in that picture?
Posted on 10/27/10 at 6:19 pm to coolpapaboze
Been to Mexico and it was a hoot!
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