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re: Any carpenters in here? Building a workshop and have some questions.

Posted on 9/27/12 at 6:45 pm to
Posted by BarDTiger81
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Posted on 9/27/12 at 6:45 pm to


Example of how it looks
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 9/27/12 at 8:06 pm to
With such a small slope I don't need joist and trusses (???) right? Just joist straight across (12') with a 2x6 in the middle at 6'?

I know I am over simplifying this, but I want to have all my plans ready and all my materials together before I start, because I am basically doing it by myself with little to no help
This post was edited on 9/27/12 at 8:07 pm
Posted by Clyde Tipton
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Posted on 9/27/12 at 8:19 pm to
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Just joist straight across (12') with a 2x6 in the middle at 6'?


I was telling you I just built the same size shed...

I used 14 footers to cross the 12 ft gap and have a foot over hang to support the roof. In the middle of the 12ft gap I made a 16 ft header with 2 2x8's and plywood in between. I used a jack and spare 4x4 to raise and secure the header with the metal holding plates where all roof supports were flush. Basically a center of front to center of back wall header since you want the open floor. The roof will sag without it.

quote:

I am basically doing it by myself with little to no help


My buddy and I built the same size shop in a day and a half with a nail gun. There is definitely synergy in carpentry too.

By yourself may take 4 plus days...
This post was edited on 9/27/12 at 8:21 pm
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 9/27/12 at 8:43 pm to
Why plywood between the 2x8's? Just curious. Does it make it stronger?

What do you mean by 14 footers? Do you mean rafters?

I am guessing you're header is connected to the top plate of your side wall frames?
This post was edited on 9/27/12 at 8:50 pm
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 9/27/12 at 10:06 pm to
Check out this design. Looks pretty hard


Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 9/27/12 at 10:07 pm to
I don't like it.

Unnecessarily complicated for that building.
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 9/27/12 at 10:10 pm to
This one looks easier for some reason.





Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 9/27/12 at 10:10 pm to
If you are building a shop rise put in higher walls, either 9 or 10' ceilings. Lots more storage potential...
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 9/27/12 at 10:13 pm to
Exact same one.

I'd build it with 8' ceiling and gable roof. That's just me. Gonna be hard to do yourself either way.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
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Posted on 9/27/12 at 10:26 pm to
quote:

Why plywood between the 2x8's? Just curious. Does it make it stronger?


Slightly stronger, but exactly 4 inches. 2 2x8's alone are only about 3.5 inches actually.

We did use 2x6's for the floor...



Tongue and groove floor going in...



First wall...



2 walls and rafters...



Walled off and roof on...



That pic is before we put the center support roof header in. We realized we needed it when we put the roof on... but it goes from center of door to center of back wall.

We put a new roof on, but I'm just gonna wrap the walls in old tin I got laying around. It'll look rustic and I'll get out cheap on siding.
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 9/27/12 at 10:27 pm to
Accidentally posted the same pic twice
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 9/27/12 at 10:33 pm to
4x4 for corner post? Never thought of that. Was thinking of a 3 board corner. Looks great though.

I would like a gable roof. How hard are the trusses to make? I know you can get them prefab, but would rather do it myself. Do they have to be nailed and glued? Everywhere I look on the web on building trusses, it always involves glue for some reason.
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 9/27/12 at 10:34 pm to
Oh. And thanks for the pics
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 9/27/12 at 10:35 pm to
quote:

Do they have to be nailed and glued?


Nah. Just nail em. And do a good job.
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 9/27/12 at 10:39 pm to
Didn't think about using tongue and groove for flooring. Is that a must? I was going to use 3/4 subfloor with vinyl tiles on top.
Posted by Clyde Tipton
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Posted on 9/27/12 at 10:39 pm to
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4x4 for corner post? Never thought of that.


They fit in those cement blocks. Then we leveled the floor without have to dig or move any dirt.

We're not "carpenters", but we've built a lot of deer stands. It was kinda built on that theory... just bigger.

We used 18 inch spacing on the floor and 24 on the walls... It's a shanty store room I can lock my four wheeler in. It's not like we are building the taj mahal.
This post was edited on 9/27/12 at 10:43 pm
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 9/27/12 at 10:40 pm to
I know man. Thanks for all your help
Posted by Clyde Tipton
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Posted on 9/27/12 at 10:50 pm to
I learned some stuff as we went. It could've been beefier, but it's solid for what it's purpose is.
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Posted on 9/28/12 at 5:49 am to
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Didn't think about using tongue and groove for flooring. Is that a must?


Definitely not a must. Regular plywood will work.
Posted by dreaux
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Posted on 9/30/12 at 12:43 am to
Now I am having trouble figuring my gable roof so that its totaly enclosed. This is what I have gathered the past couple days researching. I will be running joist and rafters 2' OC. I will place the joist to span the entire width (12'), place them on top of the top plate and flush with the outside of the wall.

Then I have to design and build my rafters. I will have a 4/12 pitch which will be 18 degrees, have a length of 6' 2 13/16 from ridge to wall, overall rafter length is 7' 3 1/2. I will be making the rafter and joist out of 2x4's and the ridge beam will be 2x6. Height of gable is 4'

I will have to make a birds mouth cut to fit onto the top plate, make the tail cut and plumb cut. Tie the rafters to the ridge and place a collar tie under the ridge to support both rafters together.

My confusion is coming with the fascia boarding that runs on the top plate parrellell to the ridge. When I nail the sheathing down all the way to the end of the eve, there is still a gap between the top plate of the wall frame to the underside of the sheathing. I know the birds mouth cut lowers the rafter and secures it, but It still appears to be a gap. Is this where the fascia boarding goes? Do you nail it into the top plate 2x4 and the edge of the joist (that is flush to the outside of the wall?), but all the joist are on the right side of the rafter so when I nail the fascia board on the left side, I have nothing to nail it to on the right side. Do I just put a block there?

I pretty much have everything else good to go. I am also going to support the gable ridge ends with 4x4's from ridge to joist (flush with outside wall). I will also build a ladder of 14" rafter boards to put the overhang on.

Also. COULD I BUILD A GABBLE ROOF WITHOUT AN OVERHANG???

I saw a gusset design that did away with all the oberhang and eve altogether. This would make it much simpler.

Here's a pic. No ridge either, so I don't know how I feel about it. But it's a relatively small room so?



This post was edited on 9/30/12 at 12:45 am
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