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re: A word on e-bikes
Posted on 3/16/24 at 12:47 pm to WillFerrellisking
Posted on 3/16/24 at 12:47 pm to WillFerrellisking
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Between e-bikes and cell cameras wild game doesn’t have a chance
How long will it take for livescope to put crappie on the endangered species list?
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Posted on 3/16/24 at 1:28 pm to deeprig9
Crap, I forgot about livescope, add that to my list too!!!!
Posted on 3/16/24 at 2:34 pm to mudshuvl05
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Holy hell are these things effective.
So did you limit out already?
Posted on 3/16/24 at 3:28 pm to TheDrunkenTigah
quote:yep. I grew up on a national forest, cut my teeth hunting exclusively public land gobblers my whole life, with an occasional foray onto private land, usually to work a bird for someone. If you can get on him as quickly as possible and sit to him less than 100 yards away, you've figured out the hard part.
The unpopular truth about turkey hunting is that if you can find and/or get close to a gobbling turkey by covering a lot of ground quickly they aren’t especially hard to kill, especially with decoys and TSS. This coming from someone who has only ever hunted easterns on some of the most pressured land in America. Success in turkey hunting on foot is as much or more driven by putting miles on boots and knowing where to be before fly down.
Especially if you can get to the bird and sit to him while he's still on roost. Once he hits the ground it's a different story, but if you have an ebike and hear a bird 1/2 mile away down a FS road before daylight, you can be under him in 90 seconds. That's a game changer.
And like someone else mentioned, in the past few years I've been seeing absolute lard asses who've no business in these deep blocks of woods if not for their e-bike. Between the ebikes, tss, fanning and decoys, I don't see how with the hunter-to-turkey ratio that any birds make it. It's said that once a gobbler reaches maturity his greatest, and often only natural predator is a turkey hunter, that's especially the case now more than ever.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 3:45 pm to Theduckhunter
quote:ha, nope, I'm going to let the opening weekend folks have it at camp while I rack up some brownie points with the wife working baby duty.
So did you limit out already?
But I'll tell you how effective it is: Thursday evening I went to a ridge top to see if I could roost some. There's a woods road that runs along the spine of a shear bluff for a couple miles and when the birds roost from down in the bottom, this woodsroad puts you at almost eye level with the birds.
I heard the birds in the screenshot below go up to roost 350 yards away and was on top of them to get a visual while they were still getting situated. I could've never done that without that bike given the amount of daylight I had left - certainly not without the risk of spooking them. It's the rapid covering of ground that makes them so effective. When a gobbler sets up on his lek after the daylight love session is over and starts to gobble again, you've got to assume the clock is ticking to get to him before more hens or other hunters do. An ebike makes this effortless. There's no doubt in my mind many hundreds or thousands of birds have been killed that might not would've died because of the use of ebikes. If it weren't for a tornadic thunderstorm that came through at daylight the next morning, having an actual visual on these birds and knowing the exact terrace that he would've pitched down onto to strut, there's a very good chance one of these birds would've died. I've sent a many of their forefathers to their maker in this exact scenario, it just got that much easier to do.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 7:02 pm to mudshuvl05
There is no outlaw like a turkey hunter…. Especially in Mississippi. When I moved down here from Texas, I couldn’t believe how many of them treat your land like their own. If you meet a turkey hunter in Mississippi, you met an outlaw 100% of the time. They will all cross a property line when one strikes up and then act like it’s perfectly normal and ok.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 7:28 pm to TexasHand
They'll bait your land too, and you won't know it. Firstly, it attracts birds they can shoot. Secondly, it gives them revenge if you ever run them off. They'll just report you for having baited land, and you are the one in trouble.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 7:44 pm to TexasHand
So glad I’m not the only one that thinks like this.
Posted on 3/16/24 at 8:29 pm to mudshuvl05
Are you saying that if you can get within 100 yds of his roost tree, he won’t fly down in another direction?
Posted on 3/16/24 at 8:48 pm to turkish
quote:explain to me how saying this,
turkish
quote:
If you can get on him as quickly as possible and sit to him less than 100 yards away, you've figured out the hard part.
Especially if you can get to the bird and sit to him while he's still on roost. Once he hits the ground it's a different story, but if you have an ebike and hear a bird 1/2 mile away down a FS road before daylight, you can be under him in 90 seconds. That's a game changer.
equates to this,
quote:
Are you saying that if you can get within 100 yds of his roost tree, he won’t fly down in another direction?
Posted on 3/16/24 at 10:09 pm to TexasHand
quote:not 100. I've never crossed a property line to hunt a bird and never will. Have had many chances to, but never did.
If you meet a turkey hunter in Mississippi, you met an outlaw 100% of the time.
95% ? Sure thing. And it ain't just Mississippi boys. We run trespassing out of state turkey hunters off every year who come in from the national forest.
Like I said in another thread, had an Arkansas boy walk up to a highway patrolman's pet turkey coop on the border of the forest and beat it to death with its own watering bowl, not knowing he was on live security camera. Turkey hunters across the board are some of, if not THE, poaching'est sumbitches alive short of an African ivory hunter, but it ain't 100% of em.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 7:21 am to mudshuvl05
First, I asked a question and didn’t declare anything equated. But since you asked, you said
I assume you mean the hard part of killing the turkey. I wanted to hear how you eliminate the possibility of them flying down in another direction enough to make it easy. Was genuinely interested.
ETA: I’m against e-bike use on public lands fwiw. I also think killing over the turkey limit should come with a lifetime ban and it should be retroactive. We’d have no concerns about turkey populations then.
quote:
you've figured out the hard part.
I assume you mean the hard part of killing the turkey. I wanted to hear how you eliminate the possibility of them flying down in another direction enough to make it easy. Was genuinely interested.
ETA: I’m against e-bike use on public lands fwiw. I also think killing over the turkey limit should come with a lifetime ban and it should be retroactive. We’d have no concerns about turkey populations then.
This post was edited on 3/17/24 at 7:38 am
Posted on 3/17/24 at 4:11 pm to turkish
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assume you mean the hard part of killing the turkey. I wanted to hear how you eliminate the possibility of them flying down in another direction enough to make it easy. Was genuinely interested.
Nothing is going to kill a gobbler that’s just not interested, but you are making it much easier for him to be interested by being inside his bubble. He’s also going to be the most curious when he first flies down, and the odds of him coming within 60 yards to check on a potential new hen are sky high. Being that close you’re likely to piss off his hens too and make them want to see who has showed up, and they’re the reason he would pitch down and walk the other way.
Point being, your odds of killing him are astronomically better if you’re 100 yards away before he pitches down, than if you’re a half mile away.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 6:10 pm to turkish
quote:No, the hard part of trying to get close to the turkey. See post below, couldn't have answered it any better myself.
I assume you mean the hard part of killing the turkey.
quote:impossible to eliminate that possibility.
I wanted to hear how you eliminate the possibility of them flying down in another direction
quote:that's where you're still getting it wrong: nobody said it'd be easy. I said the hard part is done if you're sat to a roosted bird, undetected obviously, and less than 100 yards away. That's irrefutable. That's literally the entire goal when a bird strikes off before daylight: get close to him, sit to him undetected, play the pre-flydown game. When that plan gets derailed, plan b is the next step. Otherwise, the hardest part is figured out, and an ebike makes getting to him lightning fast in many scenarios when every one of those precious few minutes of darkness matters.
I wanted to hear how you eliminate the possibility of them flying down in another direction enough to make it easy.
quote:agreed on all of the above. Also, it should reciprocate across the entire country.
I’m against e-bike use on public lands fwiw. I also think killing over the turkey limit should come with a lifetime ban and it should be retroactive. We’d have no concerns about turkey populations then.
Posted on 3/17/24 at 7:07 pm to mudshuvl05
Gotcha. I understand your point now.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 8:53 am to mudshuvl05
I’d imagine all the nice roads on WMAs are from fats and olds, and old fats complaining about lack of access. So do you fat old fricks want access or not?
Posted on 3/18/24 at 9:55 am to White Bear
quote:I'm not fat or old, but at least on the national forest I'm talking about, the roads were built for 3 purposes: logging, for back when the forest service could actually do timber harvests without the envirofreaks raising hell about it, fire lanes for rx burns, and archeological surveys.
So do you fat old fricks want access or not?
Posted on 3/18/24 at 12:11 pm to mudshuvl05
My big gripe with e-bikes is that you can often get one at a nice discount through a government rebate/voucher program.
However, I have to pay full price to buy an organically powered bike that doesn’t need electronics or batteries.
However, I have to pay full price to buy an organically powered bike that doesn’t need electronics or batteries.
This post was edited on 3/18/24 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 3/18/24 at 2:49 pm to buffbraz
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I’ve been looking at Lectric vs HeyBike. Anyone have a review?
I’m waiting on the big boys like Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, Suzuki, or KTM to make one and then I’m all in.
Posted on 3/18/24 at 3:32 pm to olemc999
I'm waiting on the laws to figure themselves out. A lot of parks restrict it to 750 watts if they allow them at all
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