re: 1911 purchase/ Glock safety discussion

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If you think I'm saying one is better than the other you're way off.

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I never said that. If I were M&P, I would have a handgun with no safety. I'm not, so I want a gun with a safety. I really don't think many of you are considering the numbers of people who count on a safety disabling a trigger. Look, I work in a place where products liability is a good part of our business. Mis use is the #1 cause of our litigated cases. I'm always looking for what can go wrong. Most of the people I know that hunt grew up with guns that would not fire-no matter what-if the safety was on. They count on that no matter how wrong the handgun community sees it. It's simply a fact of the human condition.

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So what's your problem with Glock's internal safeties then?

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None really. Just stating a fact that was not a criticism. Better explanation given above.

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Plexico Burress may have benefitted from an external safety

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He would have benefited more from a gun safety course and not being a dumbass and taking a gun into a club

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Yes, and I did. sold the 40 cal and going with 9mm. I have a G19 and love it. G26 soon to follow.
Cut out the middle man .40. 9mm's and future .45 1911 will be my handguns.

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Interesting that you're doing this because I just decided to go this route over the weekend. I have a Taurus (i know i know, their semiautos suck) .40 cal pistol that I plan on selling.

I'll be sticking with my Ruger SR9 and my two springfield .45's (1911, XD compact).

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A fact would be that Glocks have internal rather than external safeties

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Glocks have no safety.

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Plexico Burress may have benefitted from an external safety

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Was it confirmed that he was carrying a Glock? And has it EVER come out why he was touching it to begin with? Was he about to pull his gun? Did something happen?

And if he was carrying a Glock....??? CHEAPASS!!!

Makes millions and carries a $500 gun?

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We've already proved that to be false

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No, not really.

While we are at it, the following are interesting...to me..YMMV ...IMHO:

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short answer: if the trigger is pulled (by finger or other object) it will fire. The "safeties" are controlled by the trigger, which sucks. Many people have been hurt or killed by the glocks "safe action trigger" and this is why, even though I am a glock armorer, I don't recommend them to most people. I know, this gets me thumbs down from some people, which is silly because number one I think they are a good pistol, especially if you have installed the after market manual frame mounted safety, and number two this is my opinion based on research, and fact.
anyway hope this helped
shoot safe

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Because Glocks have no manual safety to prevent the trigger from inadvertently being pulled. And they have a relatively light trigger pull of only about 5.5 pounds. This is why comparing the Glock to a double action revolver is a fallacy. The typical double action revolver has a trigger pull of at least 12 pounds. Its long and deliberate, and not something that can easily be done accidentally. But with the Glock's 5.5 pound trigger, that is not the case.

The Glock fans will argue that guns don't need manual safeties because safety is always the responsibility of the shooter. That might be technically true. But it's about as illogical as trying to argue that elevator doors don't need to reopen if they close on someone's arm because elevator safety is the responsibility of the elevator user, and the elevator user should make sure their arms, legs, etc are clear of the elevator doors. I doubt many people would argue that means it is OK to leave out mechanical safety devices on elevator doors. The point is that just because safety is ultimately in the hands of the user does not mean mechanical safety devices can simply be ignored and not included.

When it comes to Glocks, the statistics speak for themselves. More negligent discharge accidents have happened with Glocks than any other handgun. NYPD experienced such a high number of negligent discharges with their Glocks that they demanded Glock produce a heavier trigger for their guns that could not be so easily fired by a clothing snag or something when reholstering. This trigger, however, is not standard on Glocks and is only used on the ones sold to NYPD.

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Again, for all the Glock fans who argue that safeties are not needed because only stupid people have negligent discharges, I wonder if they are prepared to agree with the following statements:

- Elevator doors do not need to re-open if they close on someone. Only stupid people try to enter an elevator when the doors are already closing.

- Microwave ovens do not need to shut off automatically if the door is opened. Only stupid people open a microwave oven door without pushing the stop button first.

- Ground fault interrupt outlets are not needed in bathrooms. Only stupid people drop their hair dryer in a sink full of water while using it.

- Power saws do not need blade guards. Only stupid people put their fingers near the spinning blade while using the saw.

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I personally will never understand why guns are the only device where many people think mechanical safeties designed as a fallback to protect against lapses in human judgment or concentration are unnecessary

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No, not really

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Glocks have an external safety and 2 internals safeties:

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Glock pistols are designed with three independent safety mechanisms to prevent accidental discharge. The system, designated "Safe Action" by Glock, consists of an external integrated trigger safety[35] and two automatic internal safeties: a firing pin safety[36] and a drop safety.[37] The external safety is a small inner lever contained in the trigger. Pressing the lever activates the trigger bar and sheet metal connector.

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I really don't think many of you are considering the numbers of people who count on a safety disabling a trigger.

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The safety on my Beretta doesn't disable the trigger...the hammer still falls, it just doesn't hit the firing pin. That has nothing to do with the trigger.

I personally hate Glocks for a number of reasons, but the lack of a "safety" isn't one of them. If you ND a Glock it's because you're an idiot and shouldn't be allowed to handle a gun. Ever. Period. End of story.

You guys can sort out whether glocks truly have "safeties" or not.
I'll never own one unless it has a thumb safety. All of my guns have a thumb safety and so will any future gun purchases i make. I feel it's safer, jmo