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re: 1911 purchase/ Glock safety discussion
Posted on 3/13/11 at 8:21 pm to AlxTgr
Posted on 3/13/11 at 8:21 pm to AlxTgr
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Because a Glock has no means to prevent a fire(intentional/unintentional-whatever) when the trigger is pulled, it does not have a safety
The "external safety" is your finger. The gun will not fire until you put your finger on the trigger and pull it straight back. It has a drop safety that prevents it from firing if someone drops it so the only way to fire it is with your finger. The Glock is obviously safe enough for about 75-80% of the LEA of this country so I don't know how this is even an issue.
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Posted on 3/14/11 at 8:44 am to BamaFan89
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The "external safety" is your finger. The gun will not fire until you put your finger on the trigger and pull it straight back.
In other words, it doesn't have a safety.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:03 am to AlxTgr
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In firearms, a safety or safety catch is a mechanism used to help prevent the accidental discharge of a firearm, helping to ensure safer handling.
Safeties can generally be divided into subtypes such as internal safeties (which typically do not receive input from the user) and external safeties (which typically allow the user to give input, for example, toggling a lever from "on" to "off" or something similar). Sometimes these are called "passive" and "active" safeties (or "automatic" and "manual"), respectively
Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:07 am to DrTyger
OK, well I'll just remove the safeties from my shotguns and rifles and just make sure to never put my bugger picker on the trigger 
Glock apologists are hilarious. The guns make you guys lose all common sense and logic.
Glock apologists are hilarious. The guns make you guys lose all common sense and logic.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:08 am to AlxTgr
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In other words, it doesn't have a safety.
I already admitted it doesn't have an external safety. It does have a firing pin and drop safety though
Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:10 am to AlxTgr
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OK, well I'll just remove the safeties from my shotguns and rifles and just make sure to never put my bugger picker on the trigge
Then you really wouldn't have a safety because those guns don't have internal safeties.
ETA: go look up the definition of firearm safety then come back.
This post was edited on 3/14/11 at 9:12 am
Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:11 am to AlxTgr
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Glock apologists are hilarious.
What do "Glock apologists" have to apologize for? I could care less if you buy/use a Glock
Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:18 am to BamaFan89
quote:That's great and I aplaud them for that. The trigger cannot be disabled. Call it external all you want, but that terminology is a straw man argument. I don't care about that at all. The gun will fire if the trigger is pulled. That's all I'm saying.
It does have a firing pin and drop safety though
Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:18 am to BamaFan89
Nice 1911 You got there.
I love my Glock and will buy one more. I also will be buying a Springfield 1911 as well. 9mm Glocks and a 1911.
I love my Glock and will buy one more. I also will be buying a Springfield 1911 as well. 9mm Glocks and a 1911.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:19 am to AlxTgr
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The gun will fire if the trigger is pulled. That's all I'm saying.
Isn't that the whole point?
I'm not seeing a problem here.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:20 am to DrTyger
quote:Think about this a minute or two and tell us why that's important. If external is so important to the discussion, then why do externals shut down the trigger? Theyt could easily just prevent the same sort of discharges as an internal.
Then you really wouldn't have a safety because those guns don't have internal safeties.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:20 am to DrTyger
quote:Then we agree.
I'm not seeing a problem here.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:22 am to AlxTgr
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If external is so important to the discussion, then why do externals shut down the trigger? Theyt could easily just prevent the same sort of discharges as an internal.
Ok, thank you for stating something I learned when I was 6.
Basically what I'm reading is internal and external safeties prevent the same thing from happening.
So what's the problem here?
Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:23 am to AlxTgr
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That's great and I aplaud them for that. The trigger cannot be disabled.
Yes it can. The trigger is disabled and will not move back until the trigger bar is moved back thereby releasing the trigger and allowing it to move rearward.
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The gun will fire if the trigger is pulled.
Well that's what it's supposed to do
Why would you want to pull the trigger without firing the gun anyways?
Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:23 am to Crawdaddy
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Nice 1911 You got there.
Thanks.
Shoots wonderfully.
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I love my Glock and will buy one more.
Werent you trying to sell one a while back?
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I also will be buying a Springfield 1911 as well.
The only custom work I had done, that I think is a must have, is the feed ramp (throated and polished).
Completely worth it imo
This post was edited on 3/14/11 at 9:24 am
Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:26 am to DrTyger
quote:Not even remotely true and you know it.
Basically what I'm reading is internal and external safeties prevent the same thing from happening.
So what's the problem here?
Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:27 am to BamaFan89
quote:I would not.
Why would you want to pull the trigger without firing the gun anyways?
Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:30 am to AlxTgr
Same goal. Different mechanism.
If you think I'm saying one is better than the other you're way off.
If read my earlier post I own a Glock AND a 1911. As long as the guns do what they're supposed to I have no problem with them. Hell, those are my two favorite handguns in my safe.
If you think I'm saying one is better than the other you're way off.
If read my earlier post I own a Glock AND a 1911. As long as the guns do what they're supposed to I have no problem with them. Hell, those are my two favorite handguns in my safe.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:31 am to AlxTgr
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Why would you want to pull the trigger without firing the gun anyways?
I would not.
So what's your problem with Glock's internal safeties then? The gun won't fire unless you pull the trigger.
FTR I'm not bashing the 1911's external safety. It's just not my first choice
This post was edited on 3/14/11 at 9:33 am
Posted on 3/14/11 at 9:33 am to AlxTgr
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Werent you trying to sell one a while back?
Yes, and I did. sold the 40 cal and going with 9mm. I have a G19 and love it. G26 soon to follow.
Cut out the middle man .40. 9mm's and future .45 1911 will be my handguns.
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