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re: 1911 purchase/ Glock safety discussion
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:30 am to AlxTgr
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:30 am to AlxTgr
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Because Glocks have no manual safety to prevent the trigger from inadvertently being pulled.
False. The trigger bar is a manual safety.
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When it comes to Glocks, the statistics speak for themselves. More negligent discharge accidents have happened with Glocks than any other handgun.
Where are these statistics? And if the Glock is so dangerous why is it so popular among LEAs?
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NYPD experienced such a high number of negligent discharges with their Glocks that they demanded Glock produce a heavier trigger for their guns that could not be so easily fired by a clothing snag or something when reholstering.
False. The NY spring was designed to give the Glock a trigger pull which was more like the revolvers that NYPD was switching from.
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Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:33 am to AlxTgr
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The trigger, being pulled, does not cause the gun to fire
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Why would you want to pull the trigger without firing the gun anyways?
I would not.
So why are you arguing about the trigger again?
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:34 am to BamaFan89
quote:I'm not. Who says every trigger pull is intentional? Try to stay on topic.
So why are you arguing about the trigger again?
This post was edited on 3/14/11 at 10:36 am
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:36 am to AlxTgr
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Who says every trigger pull is intentional?
That's why the trigger bar is there
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:36 am to AlxTgr
poor peoplr in CENLA just have too much time on their hands.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:36 am to charlied
quote:Yeah, cuz that's important here
poor peoplr in CENLA just have too much time on their hands.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:39 am to AlxTgr
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:40 am to AlxTgr
quote:I see this thought a lot amongst hunters & in most long guns it is dead wrong.
Most of the people I know that hunt grew up with guns that would not fire-no matter what-if the safety was on
Most safeties in long guns only keep the trigger from being pulled. A dropped weapon can still discharge. Long guns should be transported without a round in the chamber unless you know that your safety acts differently. Most decent modern pistols, on the other hand, have a firing pin disconnect or hammer block that will not allow firing without the trigger being pulled. In mu opinion, this is the most important safety on a pistol. Note that an original 1911 does not have one of these.
As for the "many people" you know who have had accidents with Glocks, I would seriously like to know what these accidents are.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:40 am to BamaFan89
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:42 am to AlxTgr
quote:you saying this over & over does not make it true. You can't define something the way you want when the rest of the world uses the term differently.
Glocks have no safety
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:42 am to DrTyger
But the negligent discharges !!
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:42 am to BamaFan89
quote:Great choice, and I know I would carry one if I were in law enforcement or the military. You are reading things into what I said.
Louisiana State Police use Glocks LINK
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:43 am to Tigah in the ATL
quote:I never said that.
As for the "many people" you know who have had accidents with Glocks, I would seriously like to know what these accidents are.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:44 am to Tigah in the ATL
quote:But they don't.
you saying this over & over does not make it true. You can't define something the way you want when the rest of the world uses the term differently.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:46 am to cheapseat
quote:Ok, it's not "many," but it's more than 1. What were the accidents?
know people that have had accidents with them
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:47 am to AlxTgr
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You are reading things into what I said.
I was giving an example of a LEA in your state that uses a gun that has "many negligent discharges" according to your quotes. If the gun was that unsafe I seriously doubt it would be so widely used by police officers.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:49 am to AlxTgr
Would you use a glock if it had and external safety?
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In 2003, Glock announced the Internal Locking System (ILS) safety feature. The ILS is a manually activated lock that is located in the back of the pistol's grip. It is cylindrical in design and, according to Glock, each key is unique. When activated, the lock causes a tab to protrude from the rear of the grip giving both a visual and tactile indication as to whether the lock is engaged or not. When activated, the ILS renders the Glock unfireable as well as making it impossible to disassemble. When disengaged, the ILS adds no further safety mechanisms to the Glock pistol. The ILS is available as an option on most Glock pistols
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:51 am to AlxTgr
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Integrated trigger safeties
These safeties, similar to grip safeties, are de-activated as a natural consequence of the shooter firing the firearm, but are engaged in most other circumstances. The trigger is composed of two interdependent parts, and the shooter in firing the firearm manipulates both parts of the trigger. Conversely, unintentional pressure or a strike against the trigger is unlikely to do so, and such an action will not fire the firearm. Such a design, made popular by Glock pistols, incorporates a trigger with a spring-loaded lever in its lower half. This lever which protrudes from the trigger face must be fully depressed in order to disengage a lock that allows the main trigger body to move. Unintentional pressure against the top of the trigger without pressing the lever does not disengage the lock and the trigger will not move.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:53 am to BamaFan89
quote:So what? 1. Not my quote. 2. I said early on I would have one if I were M&P. That makes 3 times total in this thread. Do you realize that "Glocks have no safety" is not negative?
I was giving an example of a LEA in your state that uses a gun that has "many negligent discharges" according to your quotes. If the gun was that unsafe I seriously doubt it would be so widely used by police officers.
Posted on 3/14/11 at 10:55 am to AlxTgr
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Who says every trigger pull is intentional?
In the case of someone who follows common sense safety protocol, every trigger pull is intentional. In the hands of someone who is careless in their operation of a handgun, a Glock is no more or less dangerous than any other product.
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