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Host Country Performance/Advantage
Posted on 7/30/24 at 11:26 am
Posted on 7/30/24 at 11:26 am
Does the host country (not named USA or China) usually have this much success? 4 years between these things so my memory might be bad but I can't remember the last time I saw France this high in the medal count. I'm sure when Track and Field starts they'll fade but so far it seems like they're having unusually high success rates.
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Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:24 pm to Teufelhunden
4 of the 5 gold medalist I know won theirs in country, spread out across 4 different games 
if you wanted anecdotal evidence.
if you wanted anecdotal evidence.Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:31 pm to Teufelhunden
Well France just got bailed out by the refs in their basketball game, so maybe you are onto something
Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:51 pm to Teufelhunden
What unexpected success is France having?
Posted on 7/30/24 at 12:59 pm to rpg37
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What unexpected success is France having?
I'm just looking at raw number medal count. They're currently second with 17 medals. I just don't remember them historically performing this well but this shite only happens every 4 years so I might be wrong.
Just looked it up. France is 5th all time in summer Olympic medals. So I guess they're pretty good. Oh well, bon jour.
This post was edited on 7/30/24 at 1:03 pm
Posted on 7/30/24 at 1:33 pm to Teufelhunden
There is typically a little boost from being host country from what I recall
Posted on 7/30/24 at 1:39 pm to Teufelhunden
NPR had a good article on this in 2021 explaining the competitive advantage. Basically they stated the following reasons:
- Crowd boost
- Familiarity with area
- Not having to travel/train in places not familiar to them
Also, competitors for a host country have a lower qualifying standard.
NPR 2021 Article
- Crowd boost
- Familiarity with area
- Not having to travel/train in places not familiar to them
Also, competitors for a host country have a lower qualifying standard.
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The home field advantage is dialed up even higher for the Olympics, where host countries are afforded additional benefits to help their athletes succeed.
Competitors from host countries have to meet lower qualification standards than their foreign peers, according to FiveThirtyEight.
NPR 2021 Article
Posted on 7/30/24 at 1:45 pm to Teufelhunden
I attended the USA vs France soccer match and men’s beach volleyball. The crowd advantage is real.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:09 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Also, competitors for a host country have a lower qualifying standard.
Which should lead to 0 more medals
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:10 pm to MoarKilometers
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Which should lead to 0 more medals
We've seen plenty of times when folks end up pulling a win (or a medal) out of their arse for all kinds of reasons. Still reasons to believe more athletes = more chances at medaling.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:18 pm to BluegrassBelle
Most of time (before this "Green Olympics" nonsense) these athletes have competed at the venues. I wouldn't be surprised if the USATF moves their '28 trials from Eugene to the LA Coloseum. Swimming won't have that since they aren't actually installing the pool until after the opening ceremony. Softball and canoeing will have a huge advantage with those events being in OKC.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:22 pm to Teufelhunden
There's usually a boost. Countries invest billions of dollars into hosting the Olympics so the pour a lot of resources into developing athletes for Olympic sports as well.
Great Britain was pretty crappy in the 80s and 90s but when they were awarded the 2012 Games in 2005, they invested a ton of resources into pinpointing potential medals of training athletes in those events and working to coordinate to give them every advantage. It paid off and they finished 3rd in the medal count with 65, including 29 Gold. (They won 15 in Atlanta for comparison). They didn't suddenly become that more athletic.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:27 pm to BluegrassBelle
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We've seen plenty of times when folks end up pulling a win (or a medal) out of their arse for all kinds of reasons.
Name me one non qualifier to win a medal.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:43 pm to MoarKilometers
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Name me one non qualifier to win a medal.
You're free to do your own research. I'm not here to do the work for you to disapprove NPR stating it as an advantage.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 2:58 pm to Teufelhunden
Yes, there is typically a boost. It's not usually enough to outperform the US or China, but definitely get the host into the Top 10
Posted on 7/30/24 at 3:03 pm to MSUDawg98
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I wouldn't be surprised if the USATF moves their '28 trials from Eugene to the LA Coloseum
They already said they are keeping it in Eugene, which is stupid.
Posted on 7/30/24 at 9:12 pm to usc6158
YIKES! That's beyond stupid. It's not like they have everything in Eugene. IIRC, the University has one company's equipment which they have to store when the USATF comes in with the other company's stuff. Worse yet, it's possible that a 3rd company may be awarded to bid for LA. Nothing but waste for people who supposedly care about being "green".
Posted on 7/30/24 at 10:22 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Crowd boost
This absolutely has been a factor so far. Every time Marchand gets in the pool that arena is electric. The crowd was defeaning in the race he won his first gold in. Hicks and Gaines both said it's the loudest venue they've been in.
I also watched Paolini/Errani play a doubles match today vs Garcia/Perry from France. That court was an absolute zoo. Sounded like a damn soccer game. The fans were chanting after every single point, and the announcer had to ask for silence several times before a serve. It was awesome. Paolini/Errani won 7-5, 3-6, 10-8. Just an incredible atmosphere. But you're right. I'm sure next week during T&F it will be a little different. But it's still been pretty cool to see how rowdy the crowds are. Can't wait for 2028.
Posted on 7/31/24 at 8:49 am to Teufelhunden
Qualifying an athlete in essentially every event does have its advantages. Plus an emphasis on training for all of those sports in that four year cycle.
This post was edited on 7/31/24 at 8:51 am
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