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re: Links to live feeds from remotely operated vehicles (ROV)

Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:44 pm to
Posted by ntrcptr
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:44 pm to
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JudgeHolden


Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:50 pm to
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I dont really understand the people that are taking up for BP here.


Maybe because they are having baseless accusations made about them with no supporting evidence.

If they had stopped the top kill early we would be reading post that they didn't give it a chance and wanted to get the news of the fail out early so they could make a killing on the stock by buying selling high and then buying back low since it would cause a bigger dip if announce before the market closed..
This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 9:53 pm
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:50 pm to
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SlackMaster


Alright, alright. I was blowing off a little steam there. The pipeline spill, to my memory, affected something like three acres. My memory is that the lines were visually and ultrasonically tested. The criticism was that BP did not use smart pigs which measure internal diameter. My SPECULATION is that they did not use smart pigs because they did not exist when the line was built, and that there were not pig launchers built in that could accommodate smart pigs. BP rebuilt the line after the leak.

Texas City was Texas City. It was a bad explosion. James Baker and an international commission reviewed it for BP. My recollection is that they found problems, but that they did NOT find that BP had cut costs in safety. It was more of a plant culture thing. No before anybody jumps my rear, read the report. If you lost somebody there, my heart goes out to you. But let's please try to stay objective.

Don't know about Prudhoe bay. Doesn't sound good.

Pipelines are pipelines. Refineries are refineries. Different engineers work each one. They are different business segments with different cultures. I am just not willing to string together a bunch of accidents, without delving into the facts, and quickly place the black hat.

NOBODY knows what happened on the Horizon. There is a lot of noise and anger out there, but few facts. Until we know what happened, it is hard to lay blame. And it does bother me that people are so ready to make judgments when NO ONE knows the facts.

Rant ends.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:59 pm to
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KnoxvilleBerryTiger


Let me suggest something to you. Maybe, just maybe, the media is part of the problem.

I have been stunned by the ignorance of the media. They get it wrong almost all the time, with few exceptions.

Go to the spill web site. It outlines everything they are doing in painstaking and clear detail. Then tune out most of the media sources.

Mark Twain said the he loved the beauty of the Mississippi River until he became a steamboat pilot. When he did, he saw snags that could rip a boat's bottom out where before he had seen picturesque swirls in the water. I sympathize with him.

I used to enjoy following news. Then they started reporting on something I happen to know a lot about. The coverage is just awful. NPR gets it wrong almost all the time. The NYT started out slow, then picked up its game, but is now dropping back in the pack. The Washington Post has hit a couple of triples but has struck out looking more often.

I have followed this story about as closely as anyone possibly could. And I can tell you that watching the news, reading the news on the internet, or trying to learn anything from 60 minutes is just going to get your frustrated. You will pick up more on this board in an hour than you will from an of those sources.

And before you write me off as a Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, main stream media hater, you should know that I am a liberal democrat. (For the rest of you, hope you'll still listen to a hippie.) Hell, i even subscribe to New Yorker magazine. (Please don't ban me on this basis, moderator!)
Posted by ntrcptr
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
672 posts
Posted on 5/29/10 at 10:02 pm to
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You will pick up more on this board in an hour than you will from an of those sources.


You're giving good info. I don't agree with all of your opinion, but value your 411.

And, I agree wholeheartedly with above statement. The www is of course, an unfiltered source, so those of us with brains can filter what we want/need to.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 5/29/10 at 10:04 pm to
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ntrcptr


Thanks, man.
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
16562 posts
Posted on 5/29/10 at 10:10 pm to
Damn, judge, I saw an animation on TV and it looked simple. Doesnt sound so easy now. Im about to go check out the website.
Posted by ntrcptr
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2009
672 posts
Posted on 5/29/10 at 10:12 pm to
Least, I watched those too, but @ 5000 feet?

I keep watching the ROV vid, thinking that it looks a lot like the stuff when it goes down at the ISS, or space shuttle walks...
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
16562 posts
Posted on 5/29/10 at 10:14 pm to
i have alot of questions, another one is once this hat thing is on if it is, how hard is it to unhook and hook back up to it? Is it attached in anyway or does it just sit there with a vacuum on it? Will they have to pull it up for every storm that rolls through the Gulf?
Posted by SlackMaster
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2009
2856 posts
Posted on 5/29/10 at 10:15 pm to
It sorta cracks me up when people give human-like qualities to a company like BP (i.e. saying it knows Top Kill won't work but is delaying just to buy time, is too focused on stopping the leak to issue a press release).

The reality is that it is a company full of good people who really are collectively trying everything possible to stop this damn leak. To be honest, I am amazed when I think through the logistics of what has been tried so far.

But to me, this really does smell like the Challenger accident and the organizational issues behind it.

Anyway, enough jawboning on my part. I'll sit back and enjoy the posts and keep my fingers crossed for some good news. :)
This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 10:29 pm
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
16562 posts
Posted on 5/29/10 at 10:21 pm to
I really dont think they were trying to buy time but many people thought their success estimates were very generous. I know they are trying their best to close it up. I hope they are trying just as hard with the cleanup though. What kind of pisses me off is that they have spent less money since this happened then the amount they have made in the same time. I keep hearing fisherman say they havent received a dime or have gotten something like 2 days pay. Maybe all of the ones that supposedly got helped out well are being quiet for some reason. I just havent heard any speak up yet. This is adding fuel to the fire along with these failed attempts.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 5/29/10 at 10:22 pm to
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another one is once this hat thing is on if it is, how hard is it to unhook and hook back up to it?


I don't know. I am guessing, and this is really just a guess, that they will convey it on drill pipe from the Q4000. Not sure what its storm resistance is.

The Horizon was capable of drilling in 35 foot waves and could stand 50 foot waves, so, if the Q4000 is similar, it can probably hang in there through a lot.

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Is it attached in anyway or does it just sit there with a vacuum on it?


I don't think they will need a "vacuum," what I would call artificial lift, on this one. If the pressure from the well is too low to push the oil column up 5000 feet from teh seafloor (and 18M from TD), then it will just stop flowing.

I am not certain about the attachment mechanism.

Here are the specs on the Q4000. And again, I am just guessing that they are going to use it to convey the grommet down on drill pipe. That is what I would do.

LINK
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 5/29/10 at 10:30 pm to
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LEASTBAY


Does that get at some of your questions, LeastBay? I'll see if I can glean more operational detail from the web site. Haven't thought through the points you raise here completely.

To more directly answer your question, I am thinking they would have to pull off during a major hurricane. But depending on the well pressure profile and what kind of junk is in the BOPs, they may attempt some interventions with coiled tubing or something like it once they get it set up. In other words, it is at least possible they can use it to make another kill effort.
Posted by LEASTBAY
Member since Aug 2007
16562 posts
Posted on 5/29/10 at 10:33 pm to
I know exactly what you're saying. I forgot that some of this type of equipment can sit there in a storm. I was thinking it would sail off.
Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
10225 posts
Posted on 5/29/10 at 10:49 pm to
I read somewhere the enterprise will lower the LMRP tool and then take on the oil because it has production capability.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 5/29/10 at 11:09 pm to
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I read somewhere the enterprise will lower the LMRP tool and then take on the oil because it has production capability.

May well be. I would think they would use it to take on production since cutting off the riser will mean that the riser insertion tool is not capturing any more oil.

Anyway, as some of my friends say, my mouth is overloading my rear end at this point. Let me do some reading.
Posted by Loophole
Brentwood
Member since Feb 2008
104 posts
Posted on 5/29/10 at 11:14 pm to
At least 3 ROVs working hard right now...

What are they doing?
This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 11:20 pm
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
40884 posts
Posted on 5/29/10 at 11:37 pm to
No idea, I can't pull up videos at work.
Posted by the LSUSaint
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 5/29/10 at 11:53 pm to
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This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 11:56 pm
Posted by XKEnut
Member since Jan 2010
1852 posts
Posted on 5/30/10 at 5:51 am to
Does anyone have info on the progress of the relief wells? Depth, projected days to intercept, etc.?
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