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Posted on 5/29/10 at 8:50 pm to LEASTBAY
Least, I saw on the BP site it was a diamond wire saw....
dunno if that was it, if so, seems like they're moving fast on that LMRP thingy.
dunno if that was it, if so, seems like they're moving fast on that LMRP thingy.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:08 pm to LEASTBAY
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this guy works for BP or something? I dont really understand the people that are taking up for BP here.
Who's taking up for BP? I think mostly people who are knowledgeable and actually in the industry are just sick of reading insinuating posts from people that know nothing on the subject.
Especially all the rubbish about conspiracies.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:09 pm to ntrcptr
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I don't either. Best I can figure is that they have some connection to BP and feel the need to defend them. Either they or a family member work for BP or they do some type of business with BP and don't want to lose that income. Also they may just work in the industry and feel the need to take up for BP because they know there will be repercussions for all companies in the industry and are trying to downplay the event. Beyond these reasons I really don't see why anyone would want to appear so foolish.
Examply A, B and C
Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:12 pm to redstick13
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Who's taking up for BP? I think mostly people who are knowledgeable and actually in the industry are just sick of reading insinuating posts from people that know nothing on the subject.
Especially all the rubbish about conspiracies.
Thank you, redstick. That is it exactly.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:13 pm to redstick13
this is not an oil workers message board, of course people are gonna be suspicious. I think most of the comments aren't aimed at the every day workers for BP but the corporate retards who are greedy beyond belief. I have watched many of the press conferences and they dodge questions like I have never seen. They are bringing the suspicions on themselves. If people that blog every minute of their life on facebook and twitter can keep the world updated to the minute then Im sure BP has someone that can do the same.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:13 pm to ntrcptr
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dunno if that was it, if so, seems like they're moving fast on that LMRP thingy.
I think so. It looked like they were sawing off choke and kill lines earlier today. I can't think of another reason they would do that.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:15 pm to LEASTBAY
one question for people that have expertise in this area. What percentage did you give for the top kill? Was it 60-70%? I have no experience in offshore ops but I gave this a 0% chance when I saw them starting this. Turns out I was right.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:15 pm to LEASTBAY
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If people that blog every minute of their life on facebook and twitter can keep the world updated to the minute then Im sure BP has someone that can do the same.
Uh, they also have a small job to do. Killing the well. Which do you want more? They update their website all the time. They give briefings about twice a day. They are broadcasting. What is it you want to know? When it will be killed. Let me help you with that. They don't know. They can't know. No one south of God knows. It is pretty much that simple.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:17 pm to JudgeHolden
maybe like a play by play or something for the millions watching. They are busy doing other stuff is really not an excuse. They an hire 1 person to do this. All we see is stuff on the news. I keep hearing them talk about cleaning up the beaches and stuff but we barely have any beaches here compared to the amount of wetlands.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:19 pm to LEASTBAY
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What percentage did you give for the top kill?
I was more optimistic when the BOP stack help pressure without blowing up or busting a new leak.
I speculate that there is something about the internal geometry that is really bizarre. I personally think there is either drill pipe open on both ends and hanging on a closed Variable Bore Ram, or that there is a piece of drill pipe hung off that is washed out in so many places that it is swiss cheese, and provides about a hundred ready flow channels.
If they could pump more than they leaked, there was always a shot. They obviously could not pump much more than they leaked.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:20 pm to JudgeHolden
Hopefully this next thing will work and get at least 90% of the oil. 4 days sounds alot better than 7 days also.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:20 pm to LEASTBAY
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maybe like a play by play or something for the millions watching. They are busy doing other stuff is really not an excuse. They an hire 1 person to do this. All we see is stuff on the news. I keep hearing them talk about cleaning up the beaches and stuff but we barely have any beaches here compared to the amount of wetlands.
I am really not jacking with you here, but what do you want them to tell you? Stroke rates on the pumps? Gel strengths on the kill mud? Viscosity? LCM composition? What are they going to tell you that is going to be meaningful to you?
Really, give me a list of questions you would like to know the answer to.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:23 pm to JudgeHolden
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Really, give me a list of questions you would like to know the answer to.
is the new device on site? Is it something they just keep around or did it have to be designed? How much more expensive is it for them to sit there and pump the oil from a device for 3 months compared to shutting it down entirely? If the device is already on site, what all has to take place in the 4-7 days?
Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:25 pm to JudgeHolden
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I was more optimistic when the BOP stack help pressure without blowing up or busting a new leak.
I speculate that there is something about the internal geometry that is really bizarre. I personally think there is either drill pipe open on both ends and hanging on a closed Variable Bore Ram, or that there is a piece of drill pipe hung off that is washed out in so many places that it is swiss cheese, and provides about a hundred ready flow channels.
If they could pump more than they leaked, there was always a shot. They obviously could not pump much more than they leake
I think it's more likely the long string was blown into the BOP when the seals failed at the well head.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:35 pm to redstick13
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JudgeHolden - You don't know what you are talking about
Actually, I did have the amount of the Alaska pipeline spill incorrect. It was more like 250K gallons and BP did admit that their means of measuring the pipe thickness was inadequate. Industry analysts noted poor maintenance.
quote:Just one link...
But in March, the largest leak in North Slope production history – as many as 267,000 gallons – poured out of a corroded pipeline at the Prudhoe Bay complex for five days before being discovered. Since then, US EPA investigators have been seeking to determine whether BP violated the federal Clean Water Act by failing to prevent corrosion in the ruptured line. If it did, criminal charges could follow.
That said, I don't mean to be an antagonist and I do enjoy JudgeHolden, COTiger, Oilfieldtiger, and Tiger Fred's posts. Please keep em coming. :)
This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 9:38 pm
Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:38 pm to LEASTBAY
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is the new device on site?
Almost certainly. If not, they certainly are not going to be waiting for it. It will be several days before they are ready for it.
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Is it something they just keep around or did it have to be designed?
It is certainly not a standard piece of oilfield equipment. That is because nothing like this has ever happened before. Yes, there have been blowouts, so ya'll can all just settle down on that. But the asteroid hit them on this one.
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How much more expensive is it for them to sit there and pump the oil from a device for 3 months compared to shutting it down entirely?
I don't think that is possible. Plus, eventually the metal will breach (or "wash out") if you try to pump heavy liquid through it for 3 months.
Also, I personally don't think there is that much barite in the world. Barite is the main component of drilling mud, and there is a hell of a lot of it in 18 pound kill mud.
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If the device is already on site, what all has to take place in the 4-7 days?
The web site explains this, but let me tell you what I understand. They have to cut off all the lines that attach to the riser, because they are going to have to cut the riser off. If they don't, the cut off riser will pull over the BOP stack, and we will all be well and truly screwed.
To cut these off, a bubba on the rig has to maneuver in an ROV with a saw, thread it through a maze of umbilical cords and debris, line that diamond saw up just right, and saw those puppies off. If a blade or a saw breaks or dulls, they have to make the mile up mile down round trip through the water to get set up again. The steel they are cutting is hard enough to contain 15 to 20 thousand pounds of pressure, so it is a little harder to cut than, say, PVC pipe. And all cuts are made from a floating robot, in case that was not clear.
Then, they have to cut off the marine riser. This will make cutting off the choke and kill lines look like kindergarten. The walls on that pipe are two inches thick. I don't know that diameter exactly, but it is twenty or thirty inches. Oh, yeah, and just for grins, there is probably 5 inch drill pipe INSIDE of it that is made from steel that is hard as God's head.
They have to make the cut perfectly flat or it will not work. They have to suspend the riser, which weighs tons, because they can't let it move while they cut it.
They have to inspect at every turn. Oh, yeah, and if they make the smallest change in the procedure, they have to get the Coast Guard et al. and probably Secretary Chu now to sign off on it. And on and on.
This is hard. Everything out there is hard and takes a long, long time. That is the real answer to your question.
Now, honestly, do you feel that your questions have been addressed? I really tried. If you have more, post em.
Posted on 5/29/10 at 9:42 pm to redstick13
JudgeHolden,
I have been frustrated with the lack of info with respect to time and process.
One day one tactic, then another, then stop that one, then resume it, add in a delay, then another tactic, and so it goes.
I don't deem it unreasonable to have someone do a much better job giving a general explanation in a timely manner that is not through the New York Times, or an anonymous source, or someone from this board. This is in BPs lap.
Saying they are too focused on the task at hand is not an acceptable response either. I don't think this was an acceptable response on not better pursuing what was being leaked. I even read yesterday something about available data not being publicly released because of its potential impact on stocks.
I really don't know enough of the complexities of deepwater drilling to say whether they are doing everything they can, and doing it correctly. But, I can say that they have left me feeling misinformed and not informed. Transparency seems lacking. A disconnect in communication seems ongoing. Thanks for the input BTW.
I have been frustrated with the lack of info with respect to time and process.
One day one tactic, then another, then stop that one, then resume it, add in a delay, then another tactic, and so it goes.
I don't deem it unreasonable to have someone do a much better job giving a general explanation in a timely manner that is not through the New York Times, or an anonymous source, or someone from this board. This is in BPs lap.
Saying they are too focused on the task at hand is not an acceptable response either. I don't think this was an acceptable response on not better pursuing what was being leaked. I even read yesterday something about available data not being publicly released because of its potential impact on stocks.
I really don't know enough of the complexities of deepwater drilling to say whether they are doing everything they can, and doing it correctly. But, I can say that they have left me feeling misinformed and not informed. Transparency seems lacking. A disconnect in communication seems ongoing. Thanks for the input BTW.
This post was edited on 5/29/10 at 9:46 pm
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