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Posted on 6/7/10 at 4:56 pm to
Posted by TJG210
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 4:56 pm to
Why do people still fish for king crab?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 5:26 pm to
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Obama wants a 100% foolproof plan
There's only one way to make the work foolproof. Kill all the fools. Let's start with...
Posted by Taxing Authority
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 5:26 pm to
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The BP OSRP was apparently a paper exercise only.
What other type of exercise would you suggest. Actually spilling oil to see how it goes? Wait a sec...
Posted by TigerFred
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 5:27 pm to
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Let's start with...


The Rant?
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 5:45 pm to
we can make it law that they have to have a relief well before they go production.

if that were the case, this would have been over by the morning of the 2nd day.



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Posted by tigerpurple84
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2010
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:34 pm to
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How in the hell can anyone make this claim? Did he ask the coal industry to assure no one would ever die in a mine again? Does he make nuclear power plants make this pledge? We have to do everything we can to prevent something like this from happening again, but to make an absolute statement like that would be foolish on anyones part.



Are you stupid? Have you worked in any professional job that has risks, including the risk of death.

Know how Obama can say that and it be a smart and entirely necessary moritorium.

It's simple. Hire people to think about the problems an oil righ would have. Have the engineers write a saftey plan.

Follow that safety plan when things go FUBAR.

The fact that BP has NO plan if a catastrophic well accident happened shows how correct Obama is in ordering this memortoreum. It's basic business. When something gets screwed up what's our plan to fix it
Posted by redstick13
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:41 pm to
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we can make it law that they have to have a relief well before they go production.


Yes by all means let's do this!
Posted by COTiger
Colorado
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 7:50 pm to


Much needed humor. Thanks
Posted by oilfieldtiger
Pittsburgh, PA
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 9:18 pm to
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I cannot for anything in the world fathom why you would not want BOP's that work and emergency plans that are implementable.

from what i have seen, the BOP mods, while significant and by no means quickly executed, can be successfully accomplished on some of the newer 5th and 6th generation type drill ships. however, they may not be feasible for some of the older rigs working in the GOM. i'd suspect these would be the first rigs overseas, as they can pretty well do the work elsewhere in the world and could be contracted for relatively cheap dayrates.

now, let me say that human beings are a big part of the BOP system. a kick has to be recognized, the BOP will not function on it's own (w/ the exception of the deadman). it would appear based on the information available through the investigation that there were 3 or 4 points where recognizing a well control situation could have potentially averted this -- and there's no amount of regulation you're going to approve today that will resolve human error in recognizing a kick.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 9:30 pm to
+100
Posted by JWS3
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 10:33 pm to
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we can make it law that they have to have a relief well before they go production.


Drilling a relief well is identical to drilling a well for production, uses the same processes, and has the same risk of blowout. Maybe they should drill a relief well for the relief well.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 10:48 pm to
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there's no amount of regulation you're going to approve today that will resolve human error in recognizing a kick.


Agree 100%. Removing some of the known failure probabilty from the design of the BOP is the minimum that we can do IMHO. Not sure what is to be done about recognizing kicks. I would assume that for the near term, people will be very aware of feedback from the wells. Ten years from now, the lessons may be forgotten if something is not done to "codify" these lessons learned.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:03 pm to
I can think of three people who should have diff noticed what was going on, unfortunately they are dead because they did not.
Posted by oilfieldtiger
Pittsburgh, PA
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:12 pm to
i don't really have any problem w/ that. my concern is what happens after the new regs are published and a company can demonstrate they are fully compliant? will they be allowed to return to work, or does this moratorium turn into a political ploy?
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20505 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:14 pm to
What this admin saying "never let a disaster go to waste"
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:23 pm to
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my concern is what happens after the new regs are published and a company can demonstrate they are fully compliant? will they be allowed to return to work, or does this moratorium turn into a political ploy?


I got no answers for you. I hope the return to drilling happens ASAP. I still believe the 6 months has a chance to be shortened (maybe considerably).
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34200 posts
Posted on 6/7/10 at 11:26 pm to
I have a feeling shallow water will be allowed if it isnt already but a moratorium for deepwater wells will probably be for 3 months.

I certainly understand the deepwater moratorium.
Posted by oilfieldtiger
Pittsburgh, PA
Member since Dec 2003
2904 posts
Posted on 6/8/10 at 12:04 am to
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I certainly understand the deepwater moratorium.

what i don't understand is how it's being administered. you want changes to bop systems? fine. so why go so far as to not allow operations that don't require subsea BOP's -- like drilling the top hole sections at the start of wells? you could keep rigs, boats, docks, etc working while the changes BOP mods are completed.

you don't want to allow new drills because they're too risky? fine. but you'll allow workover and intervention operations -- which they teach you on the first day of well control school result in historically far more blowouts than drilling operations?

and finally, how about giving people some assurance that if you can demonstrate you have a bop stack and a well design that is fully compliant, you'll be allowed to return to work? that would do a huge amount of convince people this is truly temporary and not permanently temporary.

ETA: I believe everyone associated w/ subsea operations wants to know exactly what was involved in the failure of the BOP's to shut in the well -- what commands were issued, what commands were rec'd at the stack, what components failed to function, why components failed to hold pressure, etc.
This post was edited on 6/8/10 at 12:48 am
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/8/10 at 12:19 am to
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so why go so far as to not allow operations that don't require subsea BOP's -- like drilling the top hole sections at the start of wells?
You're completely missing the purpose. It's become political theatre. Obama needs to look tough. It's about making the appearance to the ignorant that the government is "doing something". It's not about safety or solid egineering decision making. This moratorium's audience is the politicos and shrill special interest groups. They know nothing about drilling, but that's who Obama is choosing to bowing and pandering to. They are in charge now. Prepare. We're fvcked.
Posted by oilfieldtiger
Pittsburgh, PA
Member since Dec 2003
2904 posts
Posted on 6/8/10 at 12:52 am to
i also can't help but feel the oil industry is being singled out for political reasons. we are ~2 years removed from a financial calamity that nearly brought the total collapse of the global economy and to my knowledge there still hasn't been any meaningful regulatory reform to prevent it from happening again -other than the thought that the people involved should have learned from their mistakes.

yet here, we are still in the midst of the crisis, still without an absolutely clear understanding of what exactly happened, and we're all part of the high political drama.

ETA: i say all this as someone born and raised in south louisiana and employed in the oilfield, so obviously i'm biased.
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