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Posted on 6/6/10 at 2:52 am to mouton
and I'm sure it costs a shitload of money just to move those things around. Then when they get to their new place, they gotta dig another well. It could be a long time before they come back. I literally feel sick to my stomach. If ever a state deserved a fricking break. 
Posted on 6/6/10 at 5:54 am to crazytigerfan69
quote:
1,000 local workers and lose $330 million
so each worker make like $330,000 a year or six months? holy shite
This post was edited on 6/6/10 at 5:55 am
Posted on 6/6/10 at 6:04 am to LSUis0ver9000
quote:
1,000 local workers and lose $330 million
so each worker make like $330,000 a year or six months? holy shite
I don't think the numbers are related.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 8:13 am to Suck Out West
I was told the contracts can be up to 5 years. You don't move one of those half way across the world without a long term contract which works against us.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 12:00 pm to LSUis0ver9000
quote:
then where did $330M come from?
that's revenues from lost contracts which causes the loss of 1,000 jobs.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 12:09 pm to crazytigerfan69
quote:Economic multiplier, maybe? If the worker recieves $100, then spends $90 of it at the restaurant. Now the restaurant has $90. Then they pay their workers $40. Who then buy groceries at the grocery... etc.?
so each worker make like $330,000 a year or six months? holy shite
Posted on 6/6/10 at 12:13 pm to Taxing Authority
Obama is doing more to destroy the LA economy than BP ever could have done on their own.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 12:15 pm to Me4Heisman
quote:
Obama is doing more to destroy the LA economy than BP ever could have done on their own.
tell that to the countless fisherman who may not be able to fish for years because of BPs carelessness
Posted on 6/6/10 at 12:26 pm to Mudminnow
quote:
tell that to the countless fisherman who may not be able to fish for years because of BPs carelessness
Tell that to the thousands of workers in the offshore oil industry who will lose their jobs.
Two wrongs do not make a right. You are being foolish if you find Obama's response acceptable..
This post was edited on 6/6/10 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 6/6/10 at 12:27 pm to Mudminnow
quote:
tell that to the countless fisherman who may not be able to fish for years because of BPs carelessness
While most people certainly feel badly for the fisherman they are likely to be paid for their losses. Most people have no problem shutting BP down but the moratorium is going to crush our state. If people think we have a budget shortfall now they are going to be in for a rude awakening for the rest of the year. I'm not sure what anyone thinks the federal government actually can accomplish in the 6 month period. Government will simply waste money, hire more incompetent workers, and nothing will change for the better.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 12:35 pm to crazytigerfan69
Closing the door after the cat got out. 
Posted on 6/6/10 at 5:36 pm to crazytigerfan69
Obama is purposely destroying the oil industry and thousands of lives.
Posted on 6/6/10 at 11:27 pm to Ponchy Tiger
quote:
Obama is purposely destroying the oil industry and thousands of lives.
I don't want to believe this, but it's getting hard not to.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 1:02 am to crazytigerfan69
It's cowardly and silly to blame Obama. Bush might have had the same response ( was the Patriot act and invasion of Iraq not a huge overreaction to 911???) - this is arguably the worst ecological disaster in US history,
the moratorium is a fairly reasonable response to the ruining of the northern Fuld of Mexico.
the moratorium is a fairly reasonable response to the ruining of the northern Fuld of Mexico.
This post was edited on 6/7/10 at 1:03 am
Posted on 6/7/10 at 1:10 am to AlejandroInHouston
quote:
It's cowardly and silly to blame Obama. Bush might have had the same response ( was the Patriot act and invasion of Iraq not a huge overreaction to 911???) - this is arguably the worst ecological disaster in US history,
holy shite, that's some terrible logic.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 1:26 am to AlejandroInHouston
quote:
the moratorium is a fairly reasonable response to the ruining of the northern Fuld of Mexico.
You're fairly an idiot if you truly believe that. And for the ninety ninth time why does Bush need to be brought into this? It's almost you guys have cue cards, and where there is no good response you have to bring up Bush, where half of the people here who despise obama, didn't care much for Bush either. It's really getting old, the guy hasn't been in office for two years and the obsession still lives on. But if you want to play that game, name how the Patriot Act and invasion of Iraq destroyed thousands of good paying American jobs.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 2:42 am to crazytigerfan69
A little information I came across. Its quite scary.
LOUISIANA MID-CONTINENT OIL AND GAS ASSOCIATION
Impacts of President Obama’s Order Halting Work on 33 Exploratory Wells in the Deepwater Gulf of Mexico
The Presidential Order does not affect the 4,515 shallow-water wells, and it does not affect 591 producing deepwater Gulf wells.
Roughly 33% of nation’s domestically produced oil comes from the Gulf of Mexico, and 10% of the nation’s natural gas.
80% of the Gulf’s oil, and 45% of its natural gas comes from operations in more than 1000 feet of water – the deepwater (2009 data).
Suspension of operations means roughly 33 floating drilling rigs – typically leased for hundreds of thousands of dollars per day – will be idled for six months or longer.
$250,000 to $500,000 per day, per rig – results in roughly $8,250,000 to $16,500,000 per day in costs for idle rigs;
Secondary impacts include:
• Supply boats – 2 boats per rig with day rates of $15,000/day per boat - $30,000/day for 33 rigs – nearly $1 million/day
• Impacts to other supplies and related support services (i.e., welders, divers, caterers, transportation, etc.)
Jobs –
Each drilling platform averages 90 to 140 employees at any one time (2 shifts per day), and 180 to 280 for 2 2-week shifts
Each E&P job supports 4 other positions
Therefore, 800 to 1400 jobs per idle rig platform are at risk
Wages for those jobs average $1,804/weekly; potential for lost wages is huge, over $5 to $10 million for 1 month – per platform.
Wages lost could be over $165 to $330 million/month for all 33 platforms
Secondary impacts: Many offshore workers live in Louisiana. The state is going to see a decrease in income taxes and sales taxes that would normally be paid by those employees. (The state does not collect a sales tax on oilfield supplies and equipment used offshore.)
Companies Impacted:
Oil Companies Impacted -
Shell has seven (7) exploratory wells that will be impacted
Others include:
Chevron (4)
Anadarko (3)
Marathon (2)
Noble Energy (2)
Eni US Operating Co. (2)
ATP Oil & Gas (2)
Statoil (2)
ExxonMobil (1)
Petrobras America (1)
BHP (1)
BP (1)
Kerr McGee (1)
Murphy (1)
LLOG (1)
Newfield (1)
Hess (1)
The 33 gulf wells where operations are suspended were the ones inspected immediately after the Deepwater Horizon blowout (per Interior Secretary Ken Salazar); in those inspections, “only minor problems were found on a
couple of rigs”. Salazar believes “additional safety measures can be taken including dealing with cementing and casing of wells and significant enhancements and redundancies of blowout prevention mechanisms.
Although these rigs passed the inspections, we will look at standards that are in place.”
Longer term impacts include -
Idle drilling rigs in the Gulf could mean that they will be contracted overseas for work in other locations, and if/when the halt is lifted, rigs will not be available for completing the work in the Gulf.
Loss of tolls on LA Highway 1 resulting from loss of traffic related to deepwater operations; tolls go directly to retiring the bond debt for
construction of LA Highway 1 improvements, and if those tolls are lost, the state of Louisiana – as the other responsible party on the bonds - will have to pay to retire that debt, meaning loss of funding for some other programs in the state’s budget.
A 6-month halt in new drilling would defer 80,000 barrels/day, or 4% of 2011 deepwater Gulf of Mexico production. (Wood MacKenzie)
Higher drilling costs might jeopardize exploration in frontier areas. More
immediately, estimates are that seven current discoveries could be rendered sub-economic, putting U.S. $7.6 billion in future government revenues at risk. Proposals to increase the cap on oil companies’ liability for oil spill
damages to U.S. $10 billion could exclude U.S. independents from offshore Gulf of Mexico activities. (Wood MacKenzie)
Since these wells are not yet producing, there is no decrease in the available oil supply. However, it could lead to a decrease in the availability of domestic oil, and it is hard to tell how commodity speculators are going to
respond over the next six months; there is the possibility for driving oil prices to levels well over $100 per barrel.
Prepared May 28, 2010, based on most recent data available; will be updated as needed.
LOUISIANA MID-CONTINENT OIL AND GAS ASSOCIATION
Impacts of President Obama’s Order Halting Work on 33 Exploratory Wells in the Deepwater Gulf of Mexico
The Presidential Order does not affect the 4,515 shallow-water wells, and it does not affect 591 producing deepwater Gulf wells.
Roughly 33% of nation’s domestically produced oil comes from the Gulf of Mexico, and 10% of the nation’s natural gas.
80% of the Gulf’s oil, and 45% of its natural gas comes from operations in more than 1000 feet of water – the deepwater (2009 data).
Suspension of operations means roughly 33 floating drilling rigs – typically leased for hundreds of thousands of dollars per day – will be idled for six months or longer.
$250,000 to $500,000 per day, per rig – results in roughly $8,250,000 to $16,500,000 per day in costs for idle rigs;
Secondary impacts include:
• Supply boats – 2 boats per rig with day rates of $15,000/day per boat - $30,000/day for 33 rigs – nearly $1 million/day
• Impacts to other supplies and related support services (i.e., welders, divers, caterers, transportation, etc.)
Jobs –
Each drilling platform averages 90 to 140 employees at any one time (2 shifts per day), and 180 to 280 for 2 2-week shifts
Each E&P job supports 4 other positions
Therefore, 800 to 1400 jobs per idle rig platform are at risk
Wages for those jobs average $1,804/weekly; potential for lost wages is huge, over $5 to $10 million for 1 month – per platform.
Wages lost could be over $165 to $330 million/month for all 33 platforms
Secondary impacts: Many offshore workers live in Louisiana. The state is going to see a decrease in income taxes and sales taxes that would normally be paid by those employees. (The state does not collect a sales tax on oilfield supplies and equipment used offshore.)
Companies Impacted:
Oil Companies Impacted -
Shell has seven (7) exploratory wells that will be impacted
Others include:
Chevron (4)
Anadarko (3)
Marathon (2)
Noble Energy (2)
Eni US Operating Co. (2)
ATP Oil & Gas (2)
Statoil (2)
ExxonMobil (1)
Petrobras America (1)
BHP (1)
BP (1)
Kerr McGee (1)
Murphy (1)
LLOG (1)
Newfield (1)
Hess (1)
The 33 gulf wells where operations are suspended were the ones inspected immediately after the Deepwater Horizon blowout (per Interior Secretary Ken Salazar); in those inspections, “only minor problems were found on a
couple of rigs”. Salazar believes “additional safety measures can be taken including dealing with cementing and casing of wells and significant enhancements and redundancies of blowout prevention mechanisms.
Although these rigs passed the inspections, we will look at standards that are in place.”
Longer term impacts include -
Idle drilling rigs in the Gulf could mean that they will be contracted overseas for work in other locations, and if/when the halt is lifted, rigs will not be available for completing the work in the Gulf.
Loss of tolls on LA Highway 1 resulting from loss of traffic related to deepwater operations; tolls go directly to retiring the bond debt for
construction of LA Highway 1 improvements, and if those tolls are lost, the state of Louisiana – as the other responsible party on the bonds - will have to pay to retire that debt, meaning loss of funding for some other programs in the state’s budget.
A 6-month halt in new drilling would defer 80,000 barrels/day, or 4% of 2011 deepwater Gulf of Mexico production. (Wood MacKenzie)
Higher drilling costs might jeopardize exploration in frontier areas. More
immediately, estimates are that seven current discoveries could be rendered sub-economic, putting U.S. $7.6 billion in future government revenues at risk. Proposals to increase the cap on oil companies’ liability for oil spill
damages to U.S. $10 billion could exclude U.S. independents from offshore Gulf of Mexico activities. (Wood MacKenzie)
Since these wells are not yet producing, there is no decrease in the available oil supply. However, it could lead to a decrease in the availability of domestic oil, and it is hard to tell how commodity speculators are going to
respond over the next six months; there is the possibility for driving oil prices to levels well over $100 per barrel.
Prepared May 28, 2010, based on most recent data available; will be updated as needed.
Posted on 6/7/10 at 6:48 am to AlejandroInHouston
quote:
the moratorium is a fairly reasonable response to the ruining of the northern Fuld of Mexico.
How is stopping deepwater drilling doing anything to help? This was the first accident of this magnitude in the history of deepwater drilling. What are the chances another accident happening right after this one, especially with the whole country watching? This industry is not something you can turn on and off like a switch. By the time the moratorium is lifted the rigs will be on 5 year contracts overseas and not come back for a long time. The reasonable reaction to this would be to investigate and implement new regulations/procedures to prevent this type of accident in the future while continuing to drill. When a plane crashes, they don't shut down all flights until they figure out what caused the crash.
I was NEVER a fan of Bush, but he didn't cause the loss of thousands of jobs with the swift of a pen that will likely take years to come back, if they come back at all.
Yes the accident was BP's fault, but no it was not a fairly reasonable response by Obama. This was a knee jerk reaction that will cripple this state.
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