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re: Did these guys post thier story

Posted on 7/22/10 at 3:26 pm to
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 7/22/10 at 3:26 pm to
quote:

really TWIC card...good thing I have one. Never tied up to a floater. Wonder why you don't need a TWIC for a fixed platform or do you?
they just have this for National Secutiry. Immagine if what happened to the Horizon would have been a result of a terrorist attack. This is some bad shite. They try to prevent stuff like this
Posted by VanRIch
Wherever
Member since Sep 2007
11083 posts
Posted on 7/22/10 at 3:26 pm to
haha, ok, i'm done now, this is just getting ridiculous
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/22/10 at 3:26 pm to
quote:



You cannot tie up to, are go w/in a certain distance to a floating platform

Rigs on the shelf are ok to tie off to


Thats what I thought

We usually just troll around them
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49475 posts
Posted on 7/22/10 at 3:27 pm to
quote:

We usually just troll around them
Exactly, thats really the only way to do it
Posted by back9Tiger
Mandeville, LA.
Member since Nov 2005
16433 posts
Posted on 7/22/10 at 3:29 pm to
I know what TWIC Cards are the are under Coast Gaurd and Homeland security for anyone with a dock on the river. We have many employees that have the TWIC card, used to be a royal PIA to get, not cheap either. I can see having that offshore, better safe than sorry.
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49475 posts
Posted on 7/22/10 at 3:29 pm to
CAN NOT TIE UP






CAN TIE UP




for the visual learners
This post was edited on 7/22/10 at 3:30 pm
Posted by TigerFred
Feeding hamsters
Member since Aug 2003
27672 posts
Posted on 7/22/10 at 3:30 pm to
The post I referred to directly quoted part of their story which has since been deleted. If his story was true why would he go back and edit two weeks later to remove information that he posted? Why would the forum moderator lock the thread when people started questioning their story?

I don't think these guys are the ones that are suing. I believe that one of the guys suing actually posts here.

Posted by VanRIch
Wherever
Member since Sep 2007
11083 posts
Posted on 7/22/10 at 3:31 pm to
They are not suing.
Posted by VanRIch
Wherever
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11083 posts
Posted on 7/22/10 at 3:34 pm to
I can't speak on that, as I said I never saw or heard a different story. I also said we can agree to disagree. I believe them, you don't. No big deal. All I'm doing is defending them, because I know them and don't believe they would lie about it for no reason.
Posted by gmrkr5
NC
Member since Jul 2009
14998 posts
Posted on 7/22/10 at 3:34 pm to


Would not even want to tie up!! ^^^

Anywhere you even could tie off to on a floater is pretty damn close to big arse thrusters right?
This post was edited on 7/22/10 at 3:36 pm
Posted by oilfieldtiger
Pittsburgh, PA
Member since Dec 2003
2904 posts
Posted on 7/22/10 at 3:35 pm to
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I have never tied up to a floater, I think they are a little more strict.

i don't know whether these dudes are telling the truth, so i'm not commenting on that.

floaters are strict, but dynamically positioned rigs like the Horizon are much more strict about this for fear of fishing line compromising one of the rig's thrusters. there have been a number of instances where fishing line (typically commercial grade type stuff) has wrapped itself around the shaft of a prop and been worked under the main seal that provides isolation within the thruster between the gulf and the hull, causing the seal to be breached and knocking the thruster out of commission.

being actually beneath a floater is really not okay. in the event of an emergency disconnect (like what they tried to do when the blowout started) there is a lot of activity in the moonpool and high potential for explosive releases of pressure, high energy impacts of big iron, and a high potential for dropped objects.

there was also a DP workboat attached to the rig -- not tied up, but connected via hose -- taking on mud that was being displaced from the riser. i have seen a number of instances where captains from both DP workboats and rigs have instructed fishermen to clear the area when this was going. the workboat's failsafe plan, should his DP system fail and he's unable to hold station during this operation (or if a sudden squall is upon him) is to gun his engines and pull away from the rig. it's just a good idea not to be hanging around.

Posted by back9Tiger
Mandeville, LA.
Member since Nov 2005
16433 posts
Posted on 7/22/10 at 3:36 pm to
uh, noooo way... that looks aweful imposing.
Posted by Bussemer
Heading South
Member since Dec 2007
2564 posts
Posted on 7/22/10 at 3:45 pm to
I would just like to add that I have probably caught 100 yellowfin directly under the flare(about 100ft away from the legs?) on floaters and the only time anyone had said shite to us on the radio was if they were about to put a diver in the water.

Drillships are total dicks about getting close, though.
Posted by MC123
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
2038 posts
Posted on 7/22/10 at 7:04 pm to
I may be responsible for everyone saying the fishing guys claimed that they were tied to the rig. I was the first to post the link to that story on TD ( LINK) , and I am pretty sure it was on the OT bc we didn't even have this board at the time. Anyway, the original story I heard was that they were tied to the rig BUT it was only Grand Isle hearsay. I never read that from anywhere on the other forum, so when I realized that he never claimed to be tied to the rig, I edited the Subject and content of the OP. I corrected myself multiple times in the thread if you read through it.

Anyway, TigerFred how do you know that he removed content from his thread on the other forum about being tied to the rig? If the first time you saw that story was from my post, then you never did read that on the mudinmyblood forum, because it never did say anything like that (unless you saw that forum before me somehow). I would think that he edited his post to include more videos and pics at a later date.

On a side note I find it particularly funny that the first reply to each of these threads is from mylsuhat:

Original Thread 1st reply:
quote:


mylsuhat


This is a true story btw


This Thread 1st reply:
quote:

mylsuhat

Those guys lied their asses off in their story, so I wouldnt beileve much they say


Posted by oilfieldtiger
Pittsburgh, PA
Member since Dec 2003
2904 posts
Posted on 7/22/10 at 7:35 pm to
quote:

I would just like to add that I have probably caught 100 yellowfin directly under the flare(about 100ft away from the legs?) on floaters and the only time anyone had said shite to us on the radio was if they were about to put a diver in the water

just one point -- if you were fishing under something that was floating w/ a lit flare, then it likely was a producing spar or TLP, which may have had a platform rig on it -- like thunderhorse, mad dog, or genesis. these are moored facilities, so it would be a different kettle of fish than what the guys near the horizon were claiming. a lit flare from a floating drilling rig would entail being there during well test operations (temporary flow periods) which are pretty abnormal, high alert type operations, and someone likely would have raised you on the radio.
This post was edited on 7/22/10 at 7:37 pm
Posted by mylsuhat
Mandeville, LA
Member since Mar 2008
49475 posts
Posted on 7/23/10 at 7:32 am to
quote:

Original Thread 1st reply:

quote:



mylsuhat



This is a true story btw

Yeah i saw that and I knew I was gonna get this

What I meant was that the guys were actually out there when it happened. I had heard about it from some guys before the story broke. I posted my "its true" e/o reading the whole article
This post was edited on 7/23/10 at 7:34 am
Posted by TigerFred
Feeding hamsters
Member since Aug 2003
27672 posts
Posted on 7/23/10 at 8:01 am to
quote:

Anyway, TigerFred how do you know that he removed content from his thread on the other forum about being tied to the rig?


yes I seen it before it was posted here.

Also a cited a quote from your original post that has since been removed from the original post on the other forum.

I have no doubt the guys were out there and that they meant no harm in there story. however I do believe the story was embellished quite a bit and they never thought that it would have gotten so much publicity.

If they were as close as they originally claimed, their boat could have caused a spark that was the initial cause of the explosion. I am not saying that it was I am just saying that it is a possibility. Also when the story first broke out that it was terrorist that blew up the rig, many officials would have wanted to talk to those guys.
This post was edited on 7/23/10 at 8:02 am
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
24936 posts
Posted on 7/23/10 at 8:24 am to
I have their story on my website. I got permission from the guy to allow me to put the article up.

The only thing about their story that I have any reason to believe is not true would be two things. Not saying these are lies at all. Just saying they could POISSIBLE lie about these to things.

1. Tied up or not! If it was me I would not admit to tying up to a Tension leg platform since that is illegal.

2. The part about being told to stay away. If they were rightfully scared to approach but don't want to be viewed as chickens I can see them saying they were told to stay away.

I don't know. I wasn't there!

Oh and the part about their outboard potentially causing the explosion. If they were not tied up the engine was running. If the engine is already running it is less likely to light off the gas than if you crank it up in the gas. People have driven trucks straight through gas clouds and not lit them off.
Posted by MC123
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
2038 posts
Posted on 7/23/10 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

Also a cited a quote from your original post that has since been removed from the original post on the other forum.


that is interesting bc I don't remember editing anything that I quoted from the other forum. Do you have any idea what quote was removed? Just curious.
Posted by TigerFred
Feeding hamsters
Member since Aug 2003
27672 posts
Posted on 7/23/10 at 1:37 pm to
This was in the your first post which was in the original post from the other forum:

quote:

i can tell you what went wrong too:

When the gas started blowing out the side of the rig they turned off the power to prevent electrical spark which would ignite the gas, but when they shut power the generator kicked on and thats all she wrote!


Now it isn't on that forum anymore.
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