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re: 60 minutes on CBS
Posted on 5/17/10 at 2:23 pm to TigerFred
Posted on 5/17/10 at 2:23 pm to TigerFred
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His story about the life boats seemed somewhat suspect. He talked about being on the bridge and the "captain" said that he gave the order to abandon ship. I didn't think this rig had a captain.
He talked about a woman who was with him prior to him jumping but didn't say what happened to her.
My other question is if all the life boats were launched, how did the other people who were on the bridge get off the rig without jumping? If they got into a life raft why didn't he do the same?
There are some extended videos on the CBS site. The way I understand it is that 1 lifeboat had left. When the 2nd left there were still about 8 people left on board, and they used an inflatable raft that was lowered by crane before Williams got on broard. At this point there were 3 left (Williams, a young guy, and the girl). Williams said he couldn't physically manage another life raft and he didn't trust the others to do so either, so they had to jump. The young boy went first and then Williams. He didn't say what the girl did. She may have died on board.
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Posted on 5/17/10 at 2:27 pm to Indiana Tiger
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She may have died on board.
Negative. There were no women listed as part of the missing.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 2:31 pm to TigerFred
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Negative. There were no women listed as part of the missing.
Then she probably jumped or found another way down. BTW, young boy is really not accurate. He was in his early 20's but my guess is that he had limited experience.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 3:11 pm to Tigerpaw123
I wonder what CBS did with that big glob of tar they found?
Posted on 5/17/10 at 3:50 pm to TigerFred
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They said they were told by the Coast Guard to stay away and to not get involved in the search and rescue. Another poster from this forum stated that they assisted and were not told to stay away. In the 60 minutes story there was a recording that was played asking for all vessels in the area to assist. These guys may have been fishing in the area but not as close as they have stated.
I don't know what to make of those guys' story. I thought in their account on the internet they said the support vessels told them to stay away, which I found odd because of the story from the other fishermen that said they ran 18 miles to assist. I missed exactly what they said on 60 Minutes other than it struck me as different from their internet account.
The few times I have heard maydays the Coast Guard always comes on and asks any vessel in position to safely assist to do so. That is what you are supposed to do when you hear a mayday.
I also noted the guy on 60 Minutes said he was pulled from the water by a small open bowed boat. Who the heck was that?
This post was edited on 5/17/10 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 5/17/10 at 3:55 pm to Alatgr
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I also noted the guy on 60 Minutes said he was pulled from the water by a small open bowed boat. Who the heck was that?
Skiff from the Damon Bankston, I assume.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 3:56 pm to Mindenfan
You know if you want to get to the bottom of a downhole event on a floater you talk to the rig electrician and a guy from UC Berkley. 60 minutes has absolutely no desire to get to the truth about what happened, they only want to tell a compelling story and gin up their "audience". When all is said and done, I believe we will have a detailed account of the events that led to this tragedy and and some critical insights to keep it from happening again, and little or none of these will come from anyone involved in the 60 minutes story.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 4:55 pm to Rawdawgs
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You know if you want to get to the bottom of a downhole event on a floater you talk to the rig electrician and a guy from UC Berkley. 60 minutes has absolutely no desire to get to the truth about what happened, they only want to tell a compelling story and gin up their "audience". When all is said and done, I believe we will have a detailed account of the events that led to this tragedy and and some critical insights to keep it from happening again, and little or none of these will come from anyone involved in the 60 minutes story.
During the last 20 years, CBS has never been accused of providing accurate, informative, and factual information regarding a major news event. Just ask Dan Rather and his counterfeit staff. For now, I think the only "safe" source of information of the events leading up to, and during the accident should be that provided under sworn testimony, which unfortunately at the present time only provides a small portion of what actually occurred.
As for the accuracy of the "4 fishermen", there is no way they would have been allowed anywhere near the distance 60 Minutes claims; in fact, they would have been warned to "back off" to a specific minimum distance. Only speculation, but they possibly could have been attempting to tie up to a mooring buoy as the situation unfolded. Also, I don't think they said they could "smell" methane, but felt a burning sensation in their eyes and throats which caused someone to yell for evasive maneuvers. These guys were in a 26ft. catamaran; the guys out of orange beach (crew 18 nm that responded to the distress) were in some sort of center console.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 5:07 pm to blueTunaTiger
quote:This website has had better info than any of the "news" outlets. Far more knowlegeable people in in numbers. Far more knowlegeable people in knowing about the process of well construction.
During the last 20 years, CBS has never been accused of providing accurate, informative, and factual information regarding a major news event. Just ask Dan Rather and his counterfeit staff.
quote:Surely this rig had surveillance radar just like every other deepwater rig/platform I've ever had the pleasure of working with...
in fact, they would have been warned to "back off" to a specific minimum distance.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 5:09 pm to Taxing Authority
I'd like to see Frontline do a piece on this disaster.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 5:41 pm to oilfieldtiger
What typically prevents flow through the annulus?
This post was edited on 5/17/10 at 9:49 pm
Posted on 5/17/10 at 5:42 pm to cwill
I was on a semi for a while last year in the same area and it was not uncommon for small fishing boats to circle the rig and fish.I don't know if the captain was in contact with them or not. BTW re another post, the vessel I was on had both a captain and an OIM. I was on the Exxon Hoover Spar several years ago and we were in contact with a tramp freighter that had lost power. They didn't speak english and we sent our std by boat over to see what was going on, but per Exxon procedure, if that ship got within a mile(if forget exactly how far) we would abandon the spar. Not because they were worried about collision damage but because the risk guys at Exxon had determined that would be how terrorists would try to blow up an offshore facility. Mind you this was before 9/11.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 5:57 pm to Cash
cement.
or in the case of a liner, a liner hanger and packer -- a device that allows a string of pipe to be hung in the well, cemented, then the packer (typically a rubber element) is permanently set.
or in the case of a liner, a liner hanger and packer -- a device that allows a string of pipe to be hung in the well, cemented, then the packer (typically a rubber element) is permanently set.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 6:43 pm to Rawdawgs
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You know if you want to get to the bottom of a downhole event on a floater you talk to the rig electrician
I wouldnt discount this guys knowledge. he wasnt just an electrician, he was an electronics tech, in charge of all of the rigs electronic systems. he would need to be familiar with all of the components of the process in order to work on and maintain them.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 6:49 pm to diat150
You're right, BUT in his interview he didn't seem to know a lot. ETs in the business tend to act more knowledgeable than they really are. ETs and medics always know everything about everything.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 7:02 pm to TigerFred
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You're right, BUT in his interview he didn't seem to know a lot. ETs in the business tend to act more knowledgeable than they really are. ETs and medics always know everything about everything.
What exactly do you think he said that he didn't know enough about. You think he didn't know he was in a meeting where the leadership disagreed about process? What did he say with respect to the incident that isn't/wasn't verifiable?
Posted on 5/17/10 at 7:15 pm to Indiana Tiger
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What did he say with respect to the incident that isn't/wasn't verifiable?
the implication that annular damage and a request to increase ROP were direct causes of the blowout.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 7:34 pm to oilfieldtiger
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the implication that annular damage and a request to increase ROP were direct causes of the blowout.
Williams did not present himself as an expert on these matters and he didn't reach those conclusions. He just communicated things/events that he was aware of. Only the professor guy speculated on cause. Challenge his expertise if you want. I don't care if Williams fantasized a James Bond film about his escape; it's irrelevant to the event. The questions about his interview should be whether there was annular damage or not; was there a loss of BOP functionality or not; was there a meeting where the process changed or not. From this info and other sources, the experts will reach conclusions.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 7:38 pm to Indiana Tiger
i don't doubt the veracity of his story, just the general conclusion presented based on the things he said.
furthermore, if you are an engineer tasked w/ investigating an incident, i believe you should be starting from a blank slate -- not stating definitively that "the failure of the cement plugs caused the blowout." theories have been advanced; however, until everything is 100% finished we will not know the truth.
furthermore, if you are an engineer tasked w/ investigating an incident, i believe you should be starting from a blank slate -- not stating definitively that "the failure of the cement plugs caused the blowout." theories have been advanced; however, until everything is 100% finished we will not know the truth.
Posted on 5/17/10 at 7:54 pm to oilfieldtiger
Deepwater Horizon did have an OIM and Captain.
The lifeboats were launched with people left on board. The Captain being one of them.
The girl that he is talking about did jump and survived.
Pretty much all the doors inside the accommodations were blown off the hinges. Especially those near the engine rooms and mud pump/sack/pit room. 3 of those doors were directly responsible for severe injuries due to striking individuals. These are very beefy doors but I won't estimate their weight.
What I notice is that he has had time to reflect on things and has put together his idea of why the incident happened.
By the way, he is the caller to the Mark Levin show. That should cease some of the he was an engineer/driller/etc.. talk.
The lifeboats were launched with people left on board. The Captain being one of them.
The girl that he is talking about did jump and survived.
Pretty much all the doors inside the accommodations were blown off the hinges. Especially those near the engine rooms and mud pump/sack/pit room. 3 of those doors were directly responsible for severe injuries due to striking individuals. These are very beefy doors but I won't estimate their weight.
What I notice is that he has had time to reflect on things and has put together his idea of why the incident happened.
By the way, he is the caller to the Mark Levin show. That should cease some of the he was an engineer/driller/etc.. talk.
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