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Posted on 5/17/10 at 7:08 am to
Posted by CootKilla
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Posted on 5/17/10 at 7:08 am to
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
Posted by Carnage
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 5/17/10 at 7:42 am to
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"The morning of the disaster, according to Williams, there was an argument in front of all the men on the ship between the Transocean manager and the BP manager. Do you know what that argument is about?" Pelley asked.


There may have been a disagreement about the procedure for completing the well but I highly doubt there was a huge argument. Since this "argument" took place at the pre-tour safety meeting it would have been in front of approximately 40-50 guys not the whole rig.

I am sure there was some "my dick is bigger than yours" comments going on but it was not a full blown "argument". Depending on which company man was on tour it was probably nothing more than smart arse comments. Ask me how I know.
Posted by wilceaux
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 5/17/10 at 7:45 am to
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Ask me how I know.


Do you have any idea how douchey this sounds?
Posted by Carnage
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 5/17/10 at 7:49 am to
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Do you have any idea how douchey this sounds?


Don't really care. It was a preemptive remark before someone jumped asking where I got my info from. I'm sorry if you took it the wrong way.
Posted by wilceaux
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2004
12971 posts
Posted on 5/17/10 at 7:53 am to
There was really only one way to take it.
Why can't you just say how you know?

Ok, I'll play the game.

How do you know this?
Posted by Carnage
Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 5/17/10 at 7:57 am to
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There was really only one way to take it. Why can't you just say how you know? Ok, I'll play the game. How do you know this?


No game being played. I know the company men on the rig and depending on which one was on tour at the time you either got smart arse comments or a calm response to any questions being raised about procedure.
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 5/17/10 at 9:12 am to
quote:

There may have been a disagreement about the procedure for completing the well but I highly doubt there was a huge argument. Since this "argument" took place at the pre-tour safety meeting it would have been in front of approximately 40-50 guys not the whole rig.

I am sure there was some "my dick is bigger than yours" comments going on but it was not a full blown "argument". Depending on which company man was on tour it was probably nothing more than smart arse comments. Ask me how I know.


Here is what has been reported on his sworn testimony ( Crew Argued Over Drilling Plan Before Rig Explosion )
quote:

Mr. Williams declined to be interviewed.

In his sworn statement, he described the meeting as including ranking personnel from BP, Transocean and Halliburton Co., a contractor that dealt with cementing the well.

According to Mr. Williams's account, Transocean's rig manager, Jimmy Wayne Harrell, was discussing the plans for the next few hours' work, including taking out the drilling mud and running a test to make sure gas wasn't seeping into the well. Mr. Harrell explained in the meeting that he had received the plans from BP.

Then, according to Mr. Williams's statement, the top-ranked BP employee assigned to the rig, Donald Vidrine, disagreed and said "that was not the correct procedure."

A Transocean driller in charge of the crew, Dewey Revette, tried to ease the tension. "We'll get it worked out. Let's get up there and go to work," he said, according to Mr. Williams's statement. Mr. Revette, 48 years old, was among 11 workers who died on the rig.

At about this point in the meeting, according to Mr. Williams's attorney, Scott Bickford, all other employees were asked to leave the room so that Messrs. Vidrine and Harrell could talk in private. Mr. Williams's statement doesn't include a reference to asking others to leave.

It's not clear what position either BP's Mr. Vidrine or Transocean's Mr. Harrell took on when the drilling mud should be removed. Mr. Williams's statement said only that the disagreement concerned taking out the mud, running a "negative pressure" test on the well, and dealing with a piece of equipment called a seal assembly.

It also isn't clear whether Mr. Vidrine or Mr. Harrell won the day.

Typically well owner BP would have final say, since it was paying roughly $1 million a day to lease the rig and pay for services from 12 companies that had people on the rig.

What is clear is that workers soon began displacing the mud. Later that afternoon a pressure test provided ambiguous readings, a possible sign of gas seeping in, according to what Rep. Henry Waxman says a BP executive told House investigators. Eventually, in the evening, after further tests, BP made a decision to carry forth in removing more drilling mud. The rig blew about 10 p.m.

A BP spokesman, asked about the account in Mr. Williams's statement, said: "We're simply not going to comment on that sort of detail or speculation about causes." BP's Mr. Vidrine couldn't be reached for comment.
Posted by TigerFred
Feeding hamsters
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Posted on 5/17/10 at 9:23 am to
Some on this forum should read previous posts by posters who seem to be "in the know".

Posted by wilceaux
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2004
12971 posts
Posted on 5/17/10 at 9:32 am to
You are right, Fred.

Carnage, I apologize for not being aware of your previous post history.
I appreciate your insight.
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 5/17/10 at 9:54 am to
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I am from Empire


Hey, me too.
Posted by Carnage
Member since Apr 2010
40 posts
Posted on 5/17/10 at 10:55 am to
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Carnage, I apologize for not being aware of your previous post history. I appreciate your insight.


No harm done. I have seen many of these "arguments" before in the safety meetings. It is nothing more than the plan was one thing at 0730 conference call but was changed by the time the 1100 pre-tour safety meeting. Many times plans are changed just prior to this meeting and have not been relayed to Transocean yet.

But in this instance I know that the OIM (Mr. Harrell) would have been against this procedure. So I am sure that there was a discussion in private afterward. But ultimately the decision is up to BP.
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/17/10 at 11:53 am to
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I think Bob Bea is a self promoting bullshite artist.


Agreed. He is an attention whore who shoots form the hip. Several of his statements which were presented as fact are merely his opinion and should be stated as such. NOBODY knows the exact cause of the blowout yet, but there are certainly many contributors.

This post was edited on 5/17/10 at 11:58 am
Posted by ljhog
Lake Jackson, Tx.
Member since Apr 2009
20219 posts
Posted on 5/17/10 at 12:03 pm to
Not trying to minimize the responsibilty of BP, Transocean, the federal government and a host of others, but 60 minutes is not, I repeat is not, a reliable source for informantion concerning this topic or any other for that matter.
Posted by wilceaux
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2004
12971 posts
Posted on 5/17/10 at 12:11 pm to
So who would be a reliable source, in your opinion?
Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9666 posts
Posted on 5/17/10 at 1:41 pm to
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So who would be a reliable source, in your opinion?


IMHO, there was quite a bit of posturing and over dramatization taking place in the 60 Minutes report.

Those four fishernmen were reported as being "directly under the Deepwater Horizon". That's GOT to be bullshite. They smelled methane (isn't methane oderless?), so they cranked their engine to get out of there (Ka-BOOOOOM???). If their account is true, they ought to STFU before BP blames them for being the source of ignition.

I wouldn't want to have been in the Electronic Tech's work boots, but...
Engines over-rev... Light bulbs get incredibly bright and then explode. His computer monitor exploded. He describes a steel hatch/door as being 3" thick and secured by six stainless steel hinges. The first explosion rips the door from it's hinges, the door hits him, and slams him into a bulkhead. He "wakes up" under the hatch and pushes it off. He tries again to exit his work compartment and is hit by another steel door... 3' x 6' x 3" = 4.5 cuft of steel. Are these things solid? How much does a door like that weigh?

I know it had to have been an unbelievably traumatic event, but his description is a little bit hard for me to believe. I don't doubt that the explosive force could blow a hatch cover off of it's hinges, or cave in an entire bulkhead, I just don't think you can get hit by two of these things and only recieve a superficial wound to your forehead.

And Bob Bea needs to refrain from interviews and rest his voice, so he can get over the damage caused by "weeks in the flood."
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34200 posts
Posted on 5/17/10 at 1:46 pm to
I received an email several times being circulated supposedly from the 4 fisherman. In the email they werent underneath the rig thus in the vicinity and they were trolling around the rig.
Posted by TigerFred
Feeding hamsters
Member since Aug 2003
27805 posts
Posted on 5/17/10 at 1:59 pm to
I have always thought that these four fisherman's story was bullshite from the beginning. On the original forum that they posted the story, they were under the rig or right next to it.

They said they were told by the Coast Guard to stay away and to not get involved in the search and rescue. Another poster from this forum stated that they assisted and were not told to stay away. In the 60 minutes story there was a recording that was played asking for all vessels in the area to assist. These guys may have been fishing in the area but not as close as they have stated.

As far as the doors go, if you have been on any of these newer rigs you would understand what he was talking about. The best way that I could describe it would be to think of a 4 foot exterior stainless steel door. Pretty heavy duty and my guess is that a door would be a few hundred pounds.

His story about the life boats seemed somewhat suspect. He talked about being on the bridge and the "captain" said that he gave the order to abandon ship. I didn't think this rig had a captain.

He talked about a woman who was with him prior to him jumping but didn't say what happened to her.

My other question is if all the life boats were launched, how did the other people who were on the bridge get off the rig without jumping? If they got into a life raft why didn't he do the same?

Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9666 posts
Posted on 5/17/10 at 2:11 pm to
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In the email they werent underneath the rig thus in the vicinity and they were trolling around the rig.


But in the 60 Minutes report, they were directly under the Deepwater Horizon and one guy could smell "methane"

I don't doubt that they were in the area, but I think they've embellished their story.

Posted by White Roach
Member since Apr 2009
9666 posts
Posted on 5/17/10 at 2:17 pm to
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As far as the doors go, if you have been on any of these newer rigs you would understand what he was talking about. The best way that I could describe it would be to think of a 4 foot exterior stainless steel door. Pretty heavy duty and my guess is that a door would be a few hundred pounds.


I haven't been on a rig since 1985...

It just seems to me that if there is enough explosive force to rip a door weighing several hundred pounds from it's hinges, it would mess a human body up when it hit it (times two, for Mr. Williams).
Posted by Indiana Tiger
Member since Feb 2005
4098 posts
Posted on 5/17/10 at 2:18 pm to
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They smelled methane (isn't methane oderless?),

In this context there is no such thing as pure methane. It would be gas that is mostly methane and it would have components that would smell.

quote:

Engines over-rev... Light bulbs get incredibly bright and then explode. His computer monitor exploded. He describes a steel hatch/door as being 3" thick and secured by six stainless steel hinges. The first explosion rips the door from it's hinges, the door hits him, and slams him into a bulkhead. He "wakes up" under the hatch and pushes it off. He tries again to exit his work compartment and is hit by another steel door... 3' x 6' x 3" = 4.5 cuft of steel. Are these things solid? How much does a door like that weigh?

The door thing is the hardest for me to accept too, but it's irrelevant. What matters are the key events he testified to. The meeting, the disagreement, the substituting water for mud, etc. These things are all corroborated as far as I can tell.
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