re: Young Girl and Little Brother Attacked Pt. II

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As if the war on drugs wasn't a bust or that black men usually get penalized for crimes white men get off with. How about using a non-intellectually lazy counterpoint

Everything you said here wouldn't matter if they'd stop doing illegal things.

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Both of these points have merit when viewed through the correct prism:

SS's point is that, all matters equal, black men do tend to get the book thrown at them at a higher rate than their white criminal counterparts. This is a problem. The Department of Justice should be color-blind, and it demonstrably is not.

Your point about not doing illegal things is also valid, inasmuch as these individuals placed themselves in these positions to begin with. It is the CRIMINAL justice system, after all. In that vein, I also agree--"quit breaking the fricking law" is a motto one of my best friends from TAMU (also a minority--not black, either) exhorts others to live by, regardless of creed.

Don't break the law to begin with, and you'll be alright. Pointing that out isn't racist in the least. But if you DO break the law--the system needs to give everyone a fair shake across the board. Pointing out such is not scapegoating.

My take on that is when it comes to petty crimes like pot possession, you're an idiot if you get caught.

For more serious violent or property crimes, i don't really care if black guys get the book thrown at them because i don't think we sentence harshly enough for those crimes. Yeah, sentences should be the same regardless of race, but i can't feel that sorry for those affected.

But don't get me wrong, i think there is a lot of injustice and it needs to change.

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Everything you said here wouldn't matter if they'd stop doing illegal things. Quit finding scapegoats and have some personal responsibility

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I agree....


But you also have to agree that the pre-set penalties have absurd disparities im sentences given out for crack vs powder cocaine that has unfairly targeted the black community.

The numbers are all there time and time again showing the sentences handed down for a black with one crack rock sometimes surpassed a fair skin person with quarter kilos of powder coke when the offender both had pretty similar criminal rap sheets.


I don't believe blacks should be given ANY breaks due to there ancestors possibly being suppressed and blah blah given reparations blah blah but i'm not going to be one to act that over the years that there has not been some unfair targeting and stereotyping of blacks, that is only human to a degree, (due to learned experiences) expecting a certain type or character. Doesn't have to do anything with race, but if a certain race that caries him/herself and acts a certain way and is usually the ones committing certain crimes, it's just human nature to be more suspicious if a certain demographic is the ones committing the majority of a certain crime when they are the minority of the population. It's just common fricking sense to target them to take the biggest bite out of crime.

And while I do understand and sympathize with the Strong Safety type, I believe that feeling sorry or giving a pass to some that may have to possibly over come slight bias does nothing but put them further behind the eight ball.

Sorry for the cliche' but everyone, white trash, black thugs, asian douchebags, Don't shower Dots, everyone needs to pick themsleves and their neighbors up by the boot straps and leave the victim mentalities in the past. There isn't any room for it. The god damn population is exploding and it's getting harder and harder for EVERYONE to stand out and be extraordinary. No one will ever be anymore as average at best having even half of a "poor me" thought/attitude.

So yeah, some blacks, they may not have a line of 3 or 4 generations of college graduates they are coming from, but they have EVERY opportunity to be the first in the line with one. And I know PLENTY of white trash guys that game from long lines of distinguished European ancestry that are now spending decades in prison and barely literate. No excuses these days.

I hate to get political on here but the Democrats have set the minorities sooooo far back in this country by putting/allowing them on the public dole and making it easier for them to just barely scrap by with bare needs and play the victim role, that it's hard for me to see any hope for this 3rd generation that is just coming of age that has learned nothing but public assistance and has a lack of self-awareness, accountability and pride.

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random, but "animals" seems to be the OTs go to degratory word for black people

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....and there it is.

You do realize there is a video showing exactly what happened right? You are posting as if you and everyone else saw a different recording.

That girl attacked a defenseless toddler, so your plan to play the victim card is even less likely to work here than in every other thread in which you participate. No one has sympathy for a hateful, backwards person like that or her racist friends who are content recording and laughing instead of intervening.

She should be behind bars and locked up far away from society with the rest of the sociopaths.

THAT was an excellent, well-worded post.

And I KNOW that you have been in the thick of all levels of society - Race not withstanding.

A better "everyman" post than I could ever hope to pen.

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I hate to get political on here but the Democrats have set the minorities sooooo far back in this country by putting/allowing them on the public dole and making it easier for them to just barely scrap by with bare needs and play the victim role, that it's hard for me to see any hope for this 3rd generation that is just coming of age that has learned nothing but public assistance and has a lack of self-awareness, accountability and pride.

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This is very much a socioeconomic issue as well. I heartily agree.

I identify as a conservative, and while I'm not the type to automatically vilify everything liberal (in truth, most people are not fully liberal or conservative on every issue across the board if they're honest with themselves), but one aspect of the Democratic mindset that I loathe is their propensity to prey upon the needs of the lower classes to further their own agenda. Not saying the GOP doesn't do this in other ways, but when a political side discourages those less fortunate from being proactive in bettering their situation (even if they WANT to better themselves, as many actually do), that's messed up.

I'm not even saying that Dems target blacks. No, they target ANYone who happens to fall into the lower socioeconomic categories. The self-help initiatives they champion (even the well-intentioned ones) have invariably led to shackling the very people they purport to help, requiring even further dependence on handouts.

It's a sad, predatory, vicious cycle that, at its core, has little to do with race, despite the nation's racist past.

imho

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yurintroubl

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Thank you.... I had to go back and edit a little and probably still didn't make complete sense in some of it, fighting insomnia like always haha but that's nothing new. Will be dragging arse tomorrow until the second half of the day and be bouncing off the wall again

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And I KNOW that you have been in the thick of all levels of society - Race not withstanding.

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As I know you have.... I have been on both sides of the equation when it came to being a "criminal" and a victim of crimes... and I have worked in places where i've dealt with every walk race creed of society and can tell you there isn't as much that separates the average man/woman. All just wants to be left alone for the most part, have a little fun, be able to provide for themselves, and be able to love and be loved. The avg person isn't asking for much. And it sucks to see just an "average" man have to put up with some bullshite and put through the ringer in an unfair manner. If it's some greedy white collar white guy or black tPOS, then frick them. I want them to get their fair shake, but toss away the key, but when it comes to the "avg" man, I don't care if they are purple or green, I HATE seeing heavy handed justice that teeters on injustice.

yurin, you should hit me up on the backchannel so we can shoot the bullshite every so often. (seriously not hardelgging, but nb4HL)

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IMO - This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with humanity.

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I can agree with that, too. Definitely can be viewed from many perspectives.

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I have learned all that I need to know about certain posters this week due to that. ^^^Has nothing to do with my generally high opinion of you (unwavering)... just brought that aforementioned tidbit to the forefront and I felt the need to express it.

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Likewise, by the way!

Try not to get too high or too low on what folks online think of me With the exception of a few posters I know irl, it's all words on a screen at the end of the day.

I just try to be the same way on here that I am irl. Keeps things simple and leads to better conversations for me, usually.

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"Never say anything behind anyone's back you wouldn't say to their face" hits more grey area on the internet than it ever does IRL.

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Yup, amazes me how bold folks will get with a platform and anonymity.

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