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re: You be the judge: Kickboxing champ/MMA fighter knocks out man at bar: claims self defense
Posted on 6/29/21 at 4:00 pm to member12
Posted on 6/29/21 at 4:00 pm to member12
quote:Aint nothing open and shut about it. There will be the two sides to the story, and then the witnesses. It 100% depends on what the witnesses say.
That’s pretty open and shut assault case especially since it was caught on video.
Dude only threw a couple punches. frick this world is chock full of god damn pussies.
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Posted on 6/29/21 at 4:05 pm to tigerbutt
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I may be part of the odds here but technically homie did flex as to swing at him so swinging back is justified.
Agreed. Despite the ;local expert consensus of that not being the beginnings of a punch, Their interpretation matters not. It is 100% reasonable for the fighter to feel threatened and respond defensively.
CLIFFS: Middle aged drunk men rapping in bars deserved to be knocked out. NOT GUILTY!
Posted on 6/29/21 at 4:07 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
One punch is enough to kill somebody. If you're over 18 there's no excuse for fighting except ind defense of your or somebody else's life. The guy's claims notwithstanding, this wasn't it.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 4:07 pm to ZIGG
Posted on 6/29/21 at 4:19 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Despite the ;local expert consensus of that not being the beginnings of a punch, Their interpretation matters not. It is 100% reasonable for the fighter to feel threatened and respond defensively.
You're trying too hard.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 4:21 pm to Jim Rockford
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If you're over 18 there's no excuse for fighting except ind defense of your or somebody else's life. The guy's claims notwithstanding, this wasn't it.
Are you an expert in the field? Qualified to give expert testimony in court? As a juror, I see an aggressive move and a reaction. There is certainly wiggle room for the defense.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 4:24 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Are you an expert in the field? Qualified to give expert testimony in court? As a juror, I see an aggressive move and a reaction. There is certainly wiggle room for the defense.
You're a retarded juror.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 4:30 pm to Mo Jeaux
I agree he’s not going to jail, he’ll take a deal and pay a fine. His bigger problem will be the lawsuit and if whatever board that governs his sport decides to suspend his license
Posted on 6/29/21 at 4:50 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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Dude only threw a couple punches.
People have been killed by "dudes who only threw a couple punches". How hard the guy was hit and how hard he hit the floor means it isn't a very big stretch that he could have been killed by those "couple punches".
Posted on 6/29/21 at 4:52 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
quote:With your interpretation, when the trained MMA fighter approaches me and makes me feel threatened it should be in my right to shoot him. I know I can't beat him hand to hand and I felt threatened.
It is 100% reasonable for the fighter to feel threatened and respond defensively.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 4:55 pm to Sid in Lakeshore
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I see an aggressive move
I like how you call people pussies then interpret the guy's movement as aggressive.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 5:09 pm to Beessnax
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He knows that he is in trouble. You can tell his attorney is telling him what to say.
Yep! Them hands is a lethal weapon. IMO he's in big do do!
Sure, the clown was mouthing off, but Mr. MMA was just showing off.
A trained MMA fighter against a loud drunk guy? Not good.
This post was edited on 6/29/21 at 5:10 pm
Posted on 6/29/21 at 5:14 pm to Zarkinletch416
More info trickling out, apparently the guy is a busboy at outback.
LINK
Also some women have messaged schilling and said the dude abused them in the past
LINK
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Officers also spoke to the manager of the bar on Sunday night. The manager stated that Balboa “was extremely intoxicated and had possibly made an improper remark about the girlfriend/wife of the male who had struck him, which caused the fight to escalate.” The manager also noted that Balboa “is a regular customer who routinely causes problems at the establishment due to his intoxication level.”
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According to the police report, “numerous other patrons of the establishment corroborated the manager’s story,” stating that Balboa started the altercation.
Also some women have messaged schilling and said the dude abused them in the past
This post was edited on 6/29/21 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 6/29/21 at 5:19 pm to diat150
Again, that begs my prior question. The drunk was disrupting the whole place. Why didn't they throw him out? Given his track record there, I'd bet they've thrown him out before.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 5:21 pm to Zarkinletch416
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A trained MMA fighter against a loud drunk guy? Not good.
At what point in the swing of a punch by a drunk guy is a fighter allowed to defend himself? Does he have to let the punch actually connect? Does he have to wait for it to come within 3.50 inches of his face? A punch takes less than a second to throw. Once drunk guy commits to throwing, or feinting, a punch, the victim has a split second to respond. What does a guy’s training matter in his right to defend himself?
This post was edited on 6/29/21 at 5:24 pm
Posted on 6/29/21 at 5:32 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
Here is the law in Florida, where this happened
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Non-Deadly Force 776.012(1) allows a person to use or threaten to use, non-deadly force against another person. The Use of non-deadly force is allowed when a person reasonably believes that it is necessary to defend themselves or another person against the imminent use of unlawful force against them. The force used is allowed only to the extent necessary to defend against the attack. Further, a person who defends themselves with non-deadly force does not have a duty to retreat prior to defending themselves.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 5:32 pm to diat150
None of that has anything to do with anything. Are we going to start proposing that physical violence is ok if there is someone out there that claims said person is a bad guy?
Posted on 6/29/21 at 5:32 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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feinting, a punch
Thank you for being one of, if not the only, people/person to get this right.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 5:34 pm to sabes que
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None of that has anything to do with anything. Are we going to start proposing that physical violence is ok if there is someone out there that claims said person is a bad guy?
No it really doesn’t matter. It just affirms that the guy was the troublemaker and the fact that he attempted to throw a punch gave schilling the right to drop him like he did. If this does end up in court these statements from the manager and customers will play well when they show the video of the guy bumping into schilling and schilling walking away until the guy called at him and then was either throwing a punch or making a threatening move toward him once he turned around.
This post was edited on 6/29/21 at 5:37 pm
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