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re: WWL: Is St. Tammany Parish growing too fast?
Posted on 2/6/22 at 9:25 am to TigerTatorTots
Posted on 2/6/22 at 9:25 am to TigerTatorTots
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this is easily the biggest traffic issue out of anything going on in the mandeville/Covington/Madisonville area. The $100 million + they are spending to widen I12 wouldn’t even be needed if they spent a fraction of that to put connecting feeder highways from 21 to 190. I’d venture to say 50% of the cars on I12 in the area are people going from 1077 to 21 to 190. Local traffic was never meant to use the interstate as a primary route
Covington is an island for all intents and purposes. You have to cross a bridge to get there. As such, traffic is going to be an issue going in and out. New bridges aren’t cheap, especially as many as are needed. Lastly, interstate money wouldn’t be available to the local governments, so that 100 million that you speak of (probably double that and then some) would fall on the local taxpayers. Throw in the fact that US 190 runs both through and around Covington, and the red tape has to be beyond overwhelming. The federal waterways (tied to multiple federal departments) is also an issue.
It is quite daunting from a local standpoint.
It’s like they are pulling a wagon uphill as more and more people continually jump in. The situation is only going to get worse imho.
It is a really tough spot to be in for Mike Cooper. He is damned either way. I actually like that he is doing this. Just my .02.
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Posted on 2/6/22 at 9:33 am to tigerpawl
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The warning signs were here waaaay before Katrina. The "Katrina Excuse" doesn't hold water anymore. That's a convenient cop-out. The council still has their heads in the sand.
I disagree about Katrina. While traffic prior to it had some issues here or there, Katrina overwhelmed the area. It also created a cash cow for builders and developers. Poor leadership enjoyed the influx of cash, but spent it poorly. The late Pat Brister (RIP) and a feckless parish council were an issue (no matter how much I liked them personally).
As for:
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There seems to be a popular misconception amongst the natives that all they have to do is start the moratorium and that will make the traffic problem go away. Right...
That is a disingenuous take imho. It would allow for time to analyze the situation and plan accordingly. What would you rather him (them) do? Nothing?
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 9:34 am
Posted on 2/6/22 at 9:45 am to jimmy the leg
quote:Never said or implied that. Parsing my words. There's nothing to suggest any other substantive infrastructure measures post-moratorium. The moratorium is a half-answer. They need to complete the sentence.
What would you rather him (them) do? Nothing?
Posted on 2/6/22 at 9:49 am to tigerpawl
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Never said or implied that. Parsing my words.
Fair enough. However, that is why I put it forth as a question (two actually).
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The moratorium is a half-answer. They need to complete the sentence.
I agree, but without the moratorium, the rest is moot.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 9:54 am to jimmy the leg
I remember the first time that dolt Mike Cooper ran for mayor his big plan was “four lanes to Goodbee”. Got elected and never mentioned again.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 9:54 am to jimmy the leg
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The moratorium is a half-answer. They need to complete the sentence.
quote:Can't argue that. But our old friend, Complacency, is waiting in the wings. Relative to past measures, the moratorium is big news. Relative to a meaningful fix and atoning for the indecision of past administrations, it's still way behind schedule.
I agree, but without the moratorium, the rest is moot.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 9:55 am to Havoc
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move and build further and further and further north
More areas that don’t have the infrastructure to support large population increases.
Again, im no expert- but did Mandeville and Covington have the infrastructure to handle the exploding population growth of the 1980s and 1990s, before it happened ? Im going to go out on a limb and say No…. I dont think it takes an engineer or a genius to say that the infrastructure will be added as population growth demands it.. isnt that fairly elementary ? Please tell me what i am missing.. as I stated before, my family moved to Old Mandeville from the South shore in the late 1980s, and i dont think the area back then would have been able to handle the poputlion as it stands today, in 2022, without changing and adding infrastructure over the intervening 35 years .
Posted on 2/6/22 at 9:55 am to tigerpawl
quote:Raze the apartments and deport the occupants.
The moratorium is a half-answer. They need to complete the sentence.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:03 am to UnoDelgado
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four lanes to Goodbee
I remember when there were cattle guards on that 1077 exit. Crazy all that crap they built out there. The road isn't really that much better. Just more crap.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:08 am to TigerTatorTots
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It is factual that Madisonville will have a HS within the next 5 years
No - it isn’t. Possible, perhaps, factual - no.
The ONLY reason it may he considered at this point is that the system got an influx of cash due to Covid payments. However, it is my understanding that what I have heard (as recently as Christmas) is that redistricting is the plan. Maybe you know people other than I do that have more intimate knowledge of the circumstances, but I HIGHLY doubt that.
As a result of what I was told (by MULTIPLE people involved in the process) I see redistricting happening first, then we will see.
I have pitched that Lyon Elementary should be expanded, then have Covington Elementary be converted to a Junior High. Pitcher would then become a High School for the city of Covington. The athletic facilities at Pitcher could be upgraded and used for both the high school and junior high. That would allow for Madisonville to feed back into Covington, easing the population issues at Mandeville High.
This alone would give the school board 5 years to get their act together, and 10 years to complete the build out. Just my .02 on that aspect.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:10 am to jimmy the leg
quote:frick that bullshite. I’m on the northern edge of Mandeville’s district just below I-12. If we get redrawn into Covington, my house will be up for sale the next day
My guess is there will be some redistricting first (soon).
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:25 am to jimmy the leg
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It is a really tough spot to be in for Mike Cooper. He is damned either way. I actually like that he is doing this. Just my .02
I agree.
I hope he gets what he wants and would probably even take it a step further with larger lot requirements. But that would only Amount to words on paper.
Enforcement has been the issue
Back in early 1999 the parish developed a plan to deal with the growth. New direction 2025 as previously posted.
It was suppose to address this stuff. It really didn’t do much. I think you mentioned that it was because of Katrina. Katrina surely brought a wave of new citizens. But why should it matter? There’s a plan right? It had all sorts of requirements to limit lot sizes, expand set backs, big retention ponds etc .
So why didn’t it work?
I think it’s because there are a lot of “exceptions” made along the way. The domino effect is real. The attorneys point out that if an exception was made “there” then why not “here”? And presto, they get what they want.
So now there is a move to adopt a newer new direction plan. An update if you will. It’s called New Direction 2040.
Read all about it here-
LINK
ND 2040 LINK
Looks great.
Steering committee is in place. Public input is invited until the end of this month. The intentions look great.
But it’s just a plan. Council members change (except Marty dean!). Presidents change. Enforcement is mercurial.
Cooper’s intentions are good. He’ll only be in office for a relatively short time though. Kevin Davis’ intentions were good too!
It’s important to know who is involved so Here are some links to identify who the actual people are that are charged with following the rules
Council members
Council members LINK
Planning and Zoning LINK
Board or adjustments (these are the ones that change stuff)
LINK they don’t want you to know their names
So here are their names taken from a meeting attendance sheet in pdf format-
Mr Brookter, Mrs. Thomas, Mr. Ballantine, Mr. Daly, Mr. Blanche, Mr. Spies. ( who the hell ARE these people!?)
Matt liner is the head of the board as a paid staff member.
So rules are great but they gotta be followed. Developers know how to get around them.
Then there’s the issue of west vs East st Tammany. Slidell will push stuff on Mandeville and vice versa.
I offer no solutions. Just want to put some color on the picture to point out The Who, what, when and where if I can.
I dealt a lot with the parish in past years . I got involved in “solutions”. Then I watched as execution floundered. Glad I don’t have to deal with them anymore. Lots of headache.
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 10:39 am
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:28 am to BK Lounge
quote:This is exactly what I'm saying. The warning signs were there.
Again, im no expert- but did Mandeville and Covington have the infrastructure to handle the exploding population growth of the 1980s and 1990s, before it happened ? Im going to go out on a limb and say No….
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:31 am to jimmy the leg
quote:Where did you hear this?
However, it is my understanding that what I have heard (as recently as Christmas) is that redistricting is the plan
I heard about redistricting a few months ago when the neighborhood FB page blew up about it, only for it to turn out that the redistricting that was supposed to be happening was only related to the districts for school board representative elections. Not for school attendance boundaries
This post was edited on 2/6/22 at 10:32 am
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:40 am to jimmy the leg
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That would allow for Madisonville to feed back into Covington, easing the population issues at Mandeville High.
Egads! Madisonville kids should not have to attend school with the Covington riff raff.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 10:43 am to Tiger Prawn
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If we get redrawn into Covington, my house will be up for sale the next day
The horror! You do have a Covington address, don't you?
Posted on 2/6/22 at 12:30 pm to Tiger Prawn
quote:Send your kids to catholic/private school.
If we get redrawn into Covington, my house will be up for sale the next day
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:25 pm to La Place Mike
No, Madisonville
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:32 pm to Tiger Prawn
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No, Madisonville
So where would you move? You can probably sell your house at a good profit but I hope you like the smaller house when you buy the next one.
Posted on 2/6/22 at 1:37 pm to La Place Mike
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So where would you move?
if i were him, leaving the state would definitely be on the table.
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