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Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:18 am to Jim Rockford
Declaring war on the USA.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:20 am to Jim Rockford
Biggest blunder was not keeping germany in check when it came to pearl harbor
We were doing our best to stay out of the situation
Things may have been different if germany could have 12-24 additional months to gain strength before US enters picture
We were doing our best to stay out of the situation
Things may have been different if germany could have 12-24 additional months to gain strength before US enters picture
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:23 am to udtiger
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Message Posted by udtiger Declaring war on the USA.
Yeah that move never really made sense. Sure there was the treaty with Japan but it said Germany had to come to the aid of Japan only if Japan was attacked. Well Japan did the attacking instead of the other way around. And the Japanese didn't even return the favor and help Germany against the Soviets. Course that might be due to the fact Zhukov had smacked their arse in 1939 and made them think better of messing with the Russians.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:25 am to Darth_Vader
Does pearl harbor ever happen if japan is not essentially ignored during the WWI peace accords?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:41 am to Rouge
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Does pearl harbor ever happen if japan is not essentially ignored during the WWI peace accords?
You bring up an excellent question. It's time for me to hit the shower and head to the office so I can't really go into detail but I'll go ahead and say that I think more than likely had Japan been treated as an equal at The end of WWI then more than likely petal harbor may have never happened. Of courses there's also an argument that can be made saying that no matter what a general war in the Pacific was inevitable due to the fact Japan and the US wanted to be the dominate power there and there can be only one alpha dog.
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 6:42 am
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:42 am to Jim Rockford
I would argue the main reason and one that gets little play for not only Germany but also Japans defeat is oil. Hitler fricked up when he split his forces in Russia, sending the bulk to Stalingrad and the rest south to take the oil fields in and around Baku. They ended up getting tied down in the mountains and never made it to the oil. Hitler should have sent all his forces straight there and saved Stalingrad for after winter.
Also the main reason for Japan bombing PH was oil and there blunder of not hitting our oil storages when they did attack was a huge saving grace for us. They needed the British oil in Burma and the Indies and they assumed the US would be entering the war and knew that the pacific fleet would make it near impossible for them to transport the oil back to Japan.
Also the main reason for Japan bombing PH was oil and there blunder of not hitting our oil storages when they did attack was a huge saving grace for us. They needed the British oil in Burma and the Indies and they assumed the US would be entering the war and knew that the pacific fleet would make it near impossible for them to transport the oil back to Japan.
This post was edited on 8/20/14 at 6:44 am
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:48 am to The Boat
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nb4 Darth
nb4 Darth downvotes
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:51 am to GREENHEAD22
I love and hate these threads at the same time. I love anything WWII, but it's very apparent how little I know about it.
You guys history majors or just passionate about the subject?
You guys history majors or just passionate about the subject?
Posted on 8/20/14 at 6:55 am to sicboy
If I could have made money with it I would but just like it, the Civil War is my favorite.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 7:03 am to Jim Rockford
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A fully Axis Spain gives Germany control of virtually the entire Mediterranean, cutting Britain off from the Middle East, India, and the southern supply route to Russia through Iran. Game over.
True, but one can't forget that a major blunder was their shift from hitting Britain's military targets to population centers. They had the RAF on the ropes and almost completely destroyed, yet they stopped attacking the airfields/radar installations. There is no need to discuss getting involved in Russia, because that is well-known.
Another thing is Hitler's use of weapons (or misuse). The Me262 is a perfect example of this. They had the perfect weapon to change the tide in the air, yet Hitler wanted it used more in the bomber role. There are a host of other mistakes made, though...
Posted on 8/20/14 at 7:19 am to Spaceman Spiff
What about not reinforcing their defenses at the beaches prior to DDay? We fooled him with inflatable tanks. That must sting.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 7:21 am to HeadChange
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What about not reinforcing their defenses at the beaches prior to DDay?
Good point. That was on Hitler, too.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 7:23 am to sicboy
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I love and hate these threads at the same time. I love anything WWII, but it's very apparent how little I know about it.
I wish these history threads would branch out a little more. WWII just seems to be the go to topic.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 7:24 am to Spaceman Spiff
Sitting stagnant and taking up defensive positions around the surrounded 101st in the Ardennes instead of folding that pocket in on itself...might have put us in a pretty pickle. However, we already had so many boots on the ground in the ETO that it might not have even made a difference 
Posted on 8/20/14 at 7:27 am to Jim Rockford
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No, the biggest German failure was a diplomatic one, the inability to bring Spain into the Axis fold.
Sorry, but Germany's biggest strategic blunder was the invasion of Poland, which set off World War II. Only a madman could imagine Germany winning another war against France, Britain, Russia and the United States. A madman like Hitler.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 7:28 am to Jim Rockford
Not being able to tap the occult.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 7:31 am to GetCocky11
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I wish these history threads would branch out a little more
Start some others! That's why I suggested a History board in the first place, but I guess that video games and other boards are more important. Speaks great for society.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 7:34 am to Jim Rockford
Strategic - Oil. Perhaps declaring war on US.
Tactical- there were many, but the halt at Dunkirk was huge.
Tactical- there were many, but the halt at Dunkirk was huge.
Posted on 8/20/14 at 7:35 am to Jim Rockford
Hitlers biggest blunder was thinking he had more war waging knowledge than his generals...Russia is but one example of this...he repeatedly ignored men who had fought in WWI as officers....if you remember, Hitler was like a Corporal during WWI...he was basically a messenger boy...he did not have the prowess, knowledge, educataion, nor experience to lead an army and it showed in the end...
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