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re: WW II buffs: How were the Germans able to infiltrate the Gulf of Mexico so successfully??

Posted on 3/10/18 at 10:10 pm to
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
33925 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 10:10 pm to
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Sonar was in its infancy. If you wanted to find a submerged submarine, you had to already have a fairly decent idea of where it might be.


We probably didn't have sonar buoys either
Posted by Jeff Boomhauer
Arlen, TX
Member since Jun 2016
3552 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 10:36 pm to
Hijack but is there a worse way to die than onboard a sank submarine?
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
42561 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 10:38 pm to
It is a big ocean
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
35020 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 10:50 pm to
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but is there a worse way to die than onboard a sank submarine?

Scaphism.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17132 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 10:54 pm to
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But it was mostly civilian boats. After we started caravaning with battleships and the like, they lost that edge.


Battleships were rarely used for convoy duty. Destroyers like the USS Kidd were used because they had the speed and maneuverability to chase a sub and drop depth charges on top of them
Posted by The Boat
Member since Oct 2008
164116 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 10:58 pm to
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Didn't we have the most powerful navy??

Yes. Teddy sailed the Navy around the world, especially the Pacific in the early 1900s to show them how awesome we were and that we’d kick their arse. We were just pretty stretched in 1942.

I think axis attacks on US soil in WW2 is fascinating and for some reason it’s never really talked about. You hear about Pearl Harbor but I doubt the average person knows about the US engaging Japan in Alaska and the Gulf of Mexico U boat deal, or Japan sending balloons with bombs on them over and trying to blow them up on the west coast. They actually killed someone with that.
This post was edited on 3/10/18 at 11:01 pm
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30001 posts
Posted on 3/10/18 at 11:48 pm to
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We didn’t have as many oil baws out on the platforms back then who could spot them when they surfaced.


or cell phones to post youtube videos of them
Posted by Big Sway
Member since Nov 2009
5133 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 12:14 am to
They were up the Miss.river and made landings on the river batture looking for foods.
As the story goes.
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 12:15 am
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 12:56 am to
My great grandfather was a merchant marine sea captain out of New Orleans. They actually had one of worst causality rates of any service branch.

Incredible as this sounds our prewar admiral in charge of protecting our shipping was a complete Buffon and and Anglophobe (hated brits and ignored all their warnings updates on U boats. )

We did nothing to protect them. Not a damn thing, no increased patrols, no air cover, no radar no conveys. So in first year of the war the U boats feasted on our Merchant ships. They would use up all their torpedos, shells and actually ram boats at the end. It was a shooting gallery. They sunk oil tankers right outside of Houston New Orleans Miami New York. Trouncing around on barrier islands etc without so much as bad look. Finally, there was a big fair in ft launderdale I think in 1943 with thousands of people in Beach etc. Suddenly U boat torpedos an oil tanker that goes up like a Roman candle 1/2 mile of the beach. As everyone is watching the outline of the u boat becomes visible as it passes between the beach and the burning tanker, only a few thousand yards from packed fairgrounds on the beach. Newspaper etc get pictures, everyone freaks out as it could have shelled the Beach etc easily. News media discovers that u boats are off every Coast.

People call for action. The fire retire the dumb Mfer and start with convoys, arm the coast guard, deploy ring of destroyers spotter planes etc. start listening to the British who know exactly where all the U-boats are as they have cracked the engima code and basically wipe out most of the u boat fleet within a year.

There is a history channel show on it. It’s almost too ridiculous to believe. Answer is because we didn’t do shite to stop them for 8 months to a year or whatever time period it was.

There is actually or was a sunken u boat in Southern area of Chandelier island chain
This post was edited on 3/11/18 at 2:01 am
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
43700 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 12:58 am to
That’s a myth. Most of u boats Time was on surface. They had to recharge their batteries. Easy to spot if when you put enough planes up. And with radar
Posted by SouthTiger504
Member since Sep 2014
1163 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 5:38 am to
There’s stories from the older folks here in plaquimines parish that we had local shrimpers hauling diesel to the U boats for money
Posted by SouthTiger504
Member since Sep 2014
1163 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 5:40 am to
Also, wasn’t the U boats in the gulf the reasoning for the Big Inch pipeline being built so they could ship out oil to the allies from the east coast
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
33925 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 10:10 am to
I've heard plenty of those stories living in Houma. I don't think it is too far fetched for some coonass to make some extra money doing so
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45748 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 10:27 am to
The sinking of the Empire Mica, 40 miles out from Panama City

I went on a dive of this wreck about 25 years ago. I understand it's deteriorated quite a bit since then.

This is an interesting read for interested history buffs.
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?It is an hour past mid-night, June 29, 1942. For most Americans, World War II is oceans away, but this night, the war, with its death and destruction, would come within a mere 40 miles of Port St. Joe and Apalachicola.

HMS Empire Mica, a 431-foot British tanker built only a year before, is on her second voyage and is following the 60-foot or 10 fathom depth as recommended by the U.S. Navy. At this depth submarines are supposedly at a disadvantage. Fully loaded with 11,200 tons of aviation fuel from Baytown, Texas, she is on her way home to Britain to fuel the Royal Air Force. She is to find a protected harbor each night because, when the sun sinks, the Sea Wolves begin their prowl. None of the bays on this section of the coast are deep enough to accommodate the loaded ship. Cruising at 11 knots, she leaves the Cape San Blas sea buoy in her wake and begins an ESE course that will seal her doom.

Soon after the sun sinks and a brilliant full moon rises, a sleek, gray wolf awakens from her sleep on the floor of the Gulf and begins her deadly hunt. The “wolf” is the German Type IXC-Unterseeboote, U-67, which has already sunk two ships since her fifth cruise began in May. When the cruise is over, six ships will lie at the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico and two others, damaged by U-67's torpedoes, will make it back to port. Empire Mica is number three.

U-67 was the seventh German submarine to enter the Gulf. The first, U-507, had sunk the American tanker, Norlindo, on May 4, 1942. Thus began the “turkey shoot” of Allied ships in the Gulf. Before the last U-boat, U-193, withdrew on December 3, 1943; 24 U-boats would roam the Gulf, sinking 56 ships and wounding 14. Only one U-boat was sunk in the Gulf, U-166 south of New Orleans.


Posted by Loungefly85
Lafayette
Member since Jul 2016
7930 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 10:28 am to
U 166 was sunk right around the mouth of the river after torpedoing the Robert E Lee.

There was a German Catholic priest in Cut Off that was allegedly (but most likely not) communicating with them. People showed up at the church one night to detain him and do god knows what, but one of his alter boys snuck him to safety in the trunk of his car.
Posted by Mahootney
Lovin' My German Footprint
Member since Sep 2008
11875 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 11:01 am to
Germany had plans to build a full navy, but the program wasn't going to be completed in illate 1940's. But the Germans started hostilities enforce they had the full power of a navy to rival the British.

So, they had to resort to guerrilla warfare with their subs. Additionally, they planned to have a thousand subs, but went to war with 100.

With that said, they operated with great efficiency by going after under-protected merchant ships.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
52970 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 11:07 am to
The coast guard was busy rescuing drunk duck hunters
Posted by biglego
Ask your mom where I been
Member since Nov 2007
76282 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 11:12 am to
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the Robert E Lee.

Uh oh
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79663 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 11:38 am to
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I've heard plenty of those stories living in Houma. I don't think it is too far fetched for some coonass to make some extra money doing so


A lot of those oldtimers barely considered themselves American to begin with.
Posted by ArkLaTexTiger
Houston
Member since Nov 2009
2462 posts
Posted on 3/11/18 at 11:59 am to
There were three blimp bases covering the GoM during WWII:

o Richmond,FL
o Houma,LA
o Hitchcock,TX

LINK

The blimps were used to search for enemy submarines.
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