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re: WTF is Friendsgiving?
Posted on 11/8/21 at 5:29 pm to Uncle Diddles
Posted on 11/8/21 at 5:29 pm to Uncle Diddles
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Friendsgiving is just another made up thing for liberal cult members to gather. They're probably already talking about cancelling the term "dark meat" too.
Jesus Christ man you have some serious mental issues that you should probably address sooner rather than later.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 5:36 pm to Uncle Diddles
Brought to you by the generation that made up “baby moon”! 

Posted on 11/8/21 at 5:44 pm to Winston Cup
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the radical lefty marxists and their mainstream media propaganda machine doesnt want you giving thanks to Jesus Christ
Wut...??
Posted on 11/8/21 at 5:54 pm to Winston Cup
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the radical lefty marxists and their mainstream media propaganda machine doesnt want you giving thanks to Jesus Christ
Since when was Thanksgiving a religious holiday. It's no holy day of obligation. It's an American holiday like July 4th or Presidents' Day.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 5:57 pm to kingbob
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Since when was Thanksgiving a religious holiday.
I mean, pretty much since Lincoln issued his Thanksgiving Day proclamation. Nondenominational for sure, but it was pretty much meant as a religious holiday.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:00 pm to Mo Jeaux
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I mean, pretty much since Lincoln issued his Thanksgiving Day proclamation
I don’t recall reading about him in the Bible.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:02 pm to kingbob
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I don’t recall reading about him in the Bible.
Oh geez.

What about God? Is he mentioned in the Bible? If you're going there, Mr. Jehovah's Witness, Christmas isn't a religious holiday either. Come to think of it. Easter isn't in the Bible either. Guess that's out. I guess we're stuck with Passover. Mazeltov!
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 6:03 pm
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:13 pm to Mo Jeaux
Just because it's a gathering to give thanks doesn't mean it's an explicitly religious holiday, especially when it was one that was declared by the United States government to commemorate an act of friendship and goodwill between early American colonists and Native Americans. The history of Thanksgiving has nothing to do with Biblical tradition besides the generic giving of thanks one would do before LITERALLY EVERY MEAL.
Thanksgiving is an American holiday meant to commemorate an American event and was declared by an American President. It whoally exists outside of scripture even though it includes some generic Judeo-Christian traditions which are the same traditions which accompany any other meal that's not Passover or a Friday during Lent.
Finally, "Friendsgiving" typically isn't even celebrated the same day as Thanksgiving! It's a separate event! It's like the difference between your workplace Christmas Party and opening presents with your kids on Christmas morning. They just came up with a separate name that stuck which accurately describes the differences between the two celebrations. Thanksgiving is typically for family, and Friendsgiving is for all your childhood friends while all of you are in town visiting said family.
So, not only is "Friendsgiving" not undermining religion, it's not undermining "Thanksgiving" in the least because it does not replace Thanksgiving, but adds on to it. It's literally a separate celebration, on a different day, with different people, meant to be celebrated AS WELL AS Thanksgiving, not in replacement of.
Thanksgiving is an American holiday meant to commemorate an American event and was declared by an American President. It whoally exists outside of scripture even though it includes some generic Judeo-Christian traditions which are the same traditions which accompany any other meal that's not Passover or a Friday during Lent.
Finally, "Friendsgiving" typically isn't even celebrated the same day as Thanksgiving! It's a separate event! It's like the difference between your workplace Christmas Party and opening presents with your kids on Christmas morning. They just came up with a separate name that stuck which accurately describes the differences between the two celebrations. Thanksgiving is typically for family, and Friendsgiving is for all your childhood friends while all of you are in town visiting said family.
So, not only is "Friendsgiving" not undermining religion, it's not undermining "Thanksgiving" in the least because it does not replace Thanksgiving, but adds on to it. It's literally a separate celebration, on a different day, with different people, meant to be celebrated AS WELL AS Thanksgiving, not in replacement of.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:16 pm to Mo Jeaux
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If you're going there, Mr. Jehovah's Witness, Christmas isn't a religious holiday either.
The birth of Jesus was described in every Gospel. While archaeologists and scholars have interpreted the date to likely have been during a different time of year, the traditions of the Church coalesced around December 25th being the date to celebrate this event. Some of the traditions are secular or pagan in origin (related to the winter solstice), but the Church is pretty clear in what parts are deeply rooted in the Bible.
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Come to think of it. Easter isn't in the Bible either.
Also literally in every Gospel. It's the day Jesus was resurrected. While a lot of the traditions attached to Easter are secular in origin, the day was clearly designated as THE MOST SACRED DAY in the Christian calendar.
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I guess we're stuck with Passover. Mazeltov!
Holy Thursday is supposed to be Passover because the Last Supper was a Passover Seder. However, since the event, Christianity and Judaism adopted different calendars to track time leading to the dates we celebrate them annually to be slightly off.
Thanksgiving does not relate back to a biblical event, but does relate back to an event in American history.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 6:19 pm
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:16 pm to Winston Cup
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the radical lefty marxists and their mainstream media propaganda machine doesnt want you giving thanks to Jesus Christ
El Guacho you devil!!!
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:21 pm to kingbob
To the point, Lincoln's declaration of the holiday was very explicitly religious:
quote:It literally says to set aside the day as a thanksgiving to the Christian God.
Washington, D.C.
October 3, 1863
By the President of the United States of America.
A Proclamation.
The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequalled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consciousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom. No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.
In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.
Done at the City of Washington, this Third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the United States the Eighty-eighth.
By the President: Abraham Lincoln
William H. Seward,
Secretary of State
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 6:24 pm
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:29 pm to Gravitiger
But LINCOLN declared it. Not Jesus, not Moses, not Peter, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Elijah, Ezekial, David, Solomon, etc.
Just because someone declares something to be a holiday and then throws some religious language behind it doesn't make it a holiday for adherents of that religion. Christians don't celebrate Thanksgiving outside of the U.S. and Canada because it's an American holiday, not a Christian one. While giving thanks to a Judeo-Christian God is one tradition of this National holiday, it still isn't a Religious holiday because it is not a holiday specific to any religion, unless one worships the United States government.
Just because someone declares something to be a holiday and then throws some religious language behind it doesn't make it a holiday for adherents of that religion. Christians don't celebrate Thanksgiving outside of the U.S. and Canada because it's an American holiday, not a Christian one. While giving thanks to a Judeo-Christian God is one tradition of this National holiday, it still isn't a Religious holiday because it is not a holiday specific to any religion, unless one worships the United States government.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:31 pm to kingbob
I’m always amazed when someone starts a shitty thread with a moronic argument and it somehow devolves into an equally dumb, but different argument.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:32 pm to AbitaFan08
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To immediately jump to "oh Thanksgiving must be an offensive term now!" just shows how sensitive you are.
OP comes off as a gigantic pussy.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:36 pm to kingbob
None of those people ever declared any religious holidays, except maybe Pentecost (though I think that was Paul). But dozens of popes have (and Protestants still follow them), so go figure.
Lincoln clearly meant it to be religious, whether he had the spiritual authority to make it so or not (and at the time, many Americans probably believed he did).
Regardless, it clearly implicates the First Amendment. If any president in the last 75 years had used that language to declare a federal holiday, it would immediately be struck down on a citizen challenge under decades of SCOTUS jurisprudence.
Lincoln clearly meant it to be religious, whether he had the spiritual authority to make it so or not (and at the time, many Americans probably believed he did).
Regardless, it clearly implicates the First Amendment. If any president in the last 75 years had used that language to declare a federal holiday, it would immediately be struck down on a citizen challenge under decades of SCOTUS jurisprudence.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 6:52 pm
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:39 pm to AbitaFan08
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I’m always amazed when someone starts a shitty thread with a moronic argument and it somehow devolves into an equally dumb, but different argument.
OP: Friendsgiving is a leftist plot to undermine and replace our Christian Holiday!
KB: Friendsgiving doesn't replace Thanksgiving but is a different celebration on a different day celebrated with different people in addition to Thanksgiving, and thus doesn't undermine it.
OP: But it takes the word "Thanks" out, meaning it's undermining Christianity!
KB: Thanksgiving is an American holiday that includes generic judeo-christian traditions that accompany meals.
OP: But Lincoln explicitly said to give thanks to God in his declaration!!!
KB: Christians don't celebrate Thanksgiving because they're Christians. Americans celebrate thanksgiving because they're American.
OP: So you don't believe in Christmas and Easter, then!?
KB: No, because those holidays are in the Bible. Just because you incorporate traditions from other sources doesn't make your holiday a holiday of that source. Thus, Christmas isn't a pagan holiday just because some anachronistic pagan traditions were incorporated into the Christian celebrations of the biblical holiday. In the same way, tacking on Christian traditions onto a holiday meant to commemorate an event in American History doesn't make the holiday an explicitly Christian holiday either. Hence why Christians don't celebrate Thanksgiving outside of the U.S. and Canada.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:40 pm to kingbob
KB: I'm obviously smarter than all of you.
ETA: I also gave myself my own e-shorthand name.
ETA: I also gave myself my own e-shorthand name.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 7:06 pm
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:42 pm to Gravitiger
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KB: I'm obviously smarter than all of you.
No, just OP, Mo Jeaux, and Gravitiger, and only with respect to this particular issue.
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:47 pm to kingbob
I am an atheist who regularly attends Friendsgiving and my family Thanksgiving. That doesn't preclude me from recognizing that Thanksgiving has had explicit, government-endorsed, religious overtones since its beginning.
Literally none of the religious holidays you referenced are "in the Bible". They were declared by an "infallible" pope centuries later to try to coincide with pagan rituals.
Literally none of the religious holidays you referenced are "in the Bible". They were declared by an "infallible" pope centuries later to try to coincide with pagan rituals.
This post was edited on 11/8/21 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 11/8/21 at 6:48 pm to ISEN_AG
Just a slight reference to liberal cult and an Aggie appears. Not a coincidence.
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