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re: WTF happened to JonBenet?

Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:38 pm to
Posted by Salamander_Wilson
Member since Jul 2015
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Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:38 pm to
If Burke did kill her, accidentally or otherwise, I don't think JonBenet's parents found her until she was dead for sometime. If they had witnessed the injury or found her soon after, I can't imagine them not calling an ambulance or hightailing it to the hospital to see if there were any chance she could make it.

Even then, though, how is a patent able to tie their newly deceased child up like she was solely to protect the son? That's some morbid shite? What parent could seriously do that?

So to me, I think either the mother killed her due to snapping over something JonBenet said or did or there really was an intruder.

Either way, this case is fricked up and the evidence doesn't lead to a clear outcome.
Posted by STLhog
Dallas, TX
Member since Jan 2015
19446 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:10 pm to
I simply can't get over his behavior.

But I also can't get over how he wouldn't have admitted something as a 9 year old under interrogation or with the psychologist.

It's just bizarre and it pisses me off not knowing the real story.
Posted by semotruman
Member since Nov 2011
23188 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:35 pm to
Burke Ramsey was a disturbed kid, no question. Probably a disturbed adult too, unless he got a LOT of therapy. I place some blame for that on the parents - it always seemed to me that JonBenet got all the atttention, which I'm sure created jealousy and feelings of inadequacy and lack of self-condidence in Burke. I think she did something that made him mad, and he accidentally killed her. The parents covered it up, so that they didn't lose both kids. Heck, as disturbed as he was, he may have blocked it out.
Posted by HaveMercy
Member since Dec 2014
3000 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:43 pm to
quote:

t think JonBenet's parents found her until she was dead for sometime. If they had witnessed the injury or found her soon after, I can't imagine them not calling an ambulance or hightailing it to the hospital to see if there were any chance she could make it. Even then, though, how is a patent able to tie their newly deceased child up like she was solely to protect the son? That's some morbid shite? What parent could seriously do that?


I don't understand this either. If the head wound didn't kill her; Why not take her to the hospital or call 911? Why do that weird garrote thing to strangle her? None of this case makes sense to me.
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 2:48 pm
Posted by Forkbeard3777
Chicago
Member since Apr 2013
3841 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 2:52 pm to
quote:

If Burke did kill her, accidentally or otherwise, I don't think JonBenet's parents found her until she was dead for sometime. If they had witnessed the injury or found her soon after, I can't imagine them not calling an ambulance or hightailing it to the hospital to see if there were any chance she could make it.



My opinion of what happened:

The family got back from the party and the kids were hungry. Mom or dad, wanting to get ready for bed, lazily took a bowl of pineapple out of the fridge for the kids to eat. The parents went upstairs and were getting ready for bed (removing makeup, taking a shite, brushing their teeth, whatever...)

The kids were downstairs having pineapple. JonBenet and Burke were probably bickering like kids and she probably did something to aggravate the whack-job kid. In anger, he grabbed the flashlight and immediately struck her on top of the skull.

Then, she may have went into a violent-like seizure. Mom hears the ruckus and heads downstairs to see the horrific sight and starts screaming and freaking out. John, hearing the commotion then runs downstairs. During this time, it's mad chaos. Mom is screaming to Burke, "Why did you do that?!? Why!? Why?" John is trying to figure out what happened in this mad, chaotic event. They send Burke to his room.

By now, JonBenet is cold and lifeless and has passed. Hysterical and frantic, the parents are trying to assemble some sort of "plan" to save their son. During this frantic moment and not thinking clearly, in a last-ditch effort, they assemble this "plan" to save Burke and the plan's mysterious, unusual abnormalities show. (keeping Burke in his room while police were over -> obviously they wouldn't trust their 10 y/o son to STFU during this time, the far-out ransom note w/ the $118,000 demand, John finding the body, the hiding of the body in the cellar with the garrote, the mother in the same clothes, the inviting of friends over during such a horrific and tragic time).

Obviously, the horrific death of one's child and the very little time to think clearly shows the unusual abnormalities in the plan. These strange occurrences rear their ugly head from the get go. By staying up all night, the mother forgets to change. It's the last thing on her mind. She "works herself up into a frenzy" and she calls 911 and the parents commence the curious and bizarre plan.
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 3:04 pm
Posted by UncleBlazer
Member since Jan 2013
3333 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:03 pm to
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But I also can't get over how he wouldn't have admitted something as a 9 year old under interrogation or with the psychologist.


He wasn't interrogated until he was 11. I'm sure he was well coached by Jon and Patsy on what to say.

It would take an enormous amount of evidence to convince me the Ramseys weren't in on it. They gave no cooperation to the police and did nothing to help solve this murder all the while doing media interviews claiming that was all they cared about.
Posted by Forkbeard3777
Chicago
Member since Apr 2013
3841 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:07 pm to
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He wasn't interrogated until he was 11. I'm sure he was well coached by Jon and Patsy on what to say.

It would take an enormous amount of evidence to convince me the Ramseys weren't in on it. They gave no cooperation to the police and did nothing to help solve this murder all the while doing media interviews claiming that was all they cared about.


I bet the garrote was part of their plan to help "coach" and "convince" Burke that the striking with the flashlight didn't kill JonBenet. They staged it to help convince the foolish child that he didn't do anything wrong.
Posted by Hot Carl
Prayers up for 3
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:14 pm to
quote:


He wasn't interrogated until he was 11.


That's not true. There's video of him just 2 weeks after the murder. Now, how aggressively he was "interrogated" is certainly open to debate. But he was certainly spoken to on video. And I agree, as squirrelly as he is and no matter how much coaching he may have had, it seems odd he didn't let it slip.
Posted by UncleBlazer
Member since Jan 2013
3333 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:26 pm to
quote:

That's not true. There's video of him just 2 weeks after the murder.


Oh I didn't know. I was just reading a timeline so maybe it was a different interrogation.

quote:

And I agree, as squirrelly as he is and no matter how much coaching he may have had, it seems odd he didn't let it slip.


As weird as he seemed in the video, i bet he was a very intelligent child.
Posted by efrad
Member since Nov 2007
18703 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:38 pm to
When they "interrogated" him 2 weeks later he said he is just trying to move on with his life, mostly playing Nintendo. They ask him if he feels like he is safe and he says he feels fine (although his parents are on CNN talking about a killer on the loose and his sister was just murdered). He shows no sadness.

They ask him if he has any secrets any he says probably, but I won't tell you, because they're secrets.

They showed the footage on the CBS special
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 3:39 pm
Posted by reveille
Houston
Member since Jul 2009
1216 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:44 pm to
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As weird as he seemed in the video


That is one creepy looking dude!
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:45 pm to
I think he is a likely suspect, but c'mon.

quote:

he is just trying to move on with his life, mostly playing Nintendo


He's 9.

quote:

He shows no sadness.


He's 9.

quote:

They ask him if he has any secrets any he says probably, but I won't tell you, because they're secrets.


What 9 year old kid doesn't have "secrets"? You and they are trying to make it out like "secrets" to a 9 year old means the same sinister things it does to an adult (an affair, a drug problem, gambling debts, embezzlement), when it doesn't mean the same thing at all.
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
Member since Aug 2013
43290 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:54 pm to
okay that's fine but how do you explain his reaction later on in the show when the investigator tells him what the picture he is looking at is the pineapple on the table and how he just starts figiting around not knowing what to say. I think it is pretty clear whether or not he actually did the crime he knows more than what he is letting on.
Posted by Clockwatcher68
Youngsville
Member since May 2006
8022 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:55 pm to
quote:

they assemble this "plan" to save Burke


Since Colorado law prohibits prosecution of children under 10 for any crime (can't form intent, if I remember correctly from the show), what would have happened to him?

If Burke did do it, I assume the parents didn't know about him being excluded from prosecution due to his age. Why would they?
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
17732 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

When they "interrogated" him 2 weeks later he said he is just trying to move on with his life, mostly playing Nintendo. They ask him if he feels like he is safe and he says he feels fine (although his parents are on CNN talking about a killer on the loose and his sister was just murdered). He shows no sadness.

They ask him if he has any secrets any he says probably, but I won't tell you, because they're secrets

Could Burke have Asperger's? His social awkwardness and perceived lack of emotion about what happened would make sense to me.

I'm not sure if that could cause him to lash out violently in anyway, but the stories of shite-smearing his sister's things make me think he's not simply an introvert.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 4:10 pm to
quote:

okay that's fine but how do you explain his reaction later on in the show when the investigator tells him what the picture he is looking at is the pineapple on the table and how he just starts figiting around not knowing what to say.


Who knows? He's 9 in one instance and 11 in the other. Have you ever been seriously interrogated by police in a room with just you and the cops? I have. I was hauled in by the FBI for something totally bogus that I was later in the day released for and never bothered about again, and I was 17, not 9 or 11, and let me tell you - unless you have had it happen to you, you have NO idea. You may think you know what it would be like or how you'd do, but you don't. You don't know which way is up and your reactions to everything are slightly bonkers.

Again, I think he is a suspect, buy y'all are reading way too far into his reactions. Everyone reacts differently to death, he was friggin 9, and you don't know what it's like to be interrogated.
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 4:14 pm
Posted by Forkbeard3777
Chicago
Member since Apr 2013
3841 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 4:21 pm to
quote:

Since Colorado law prohibits prosecution of children under 10 for any crime (can't form intent, if I remember correctly from the show), what would have happened to him?


I highly doubt that the parents were well versed and knowledgable of Colorado's criminal laws. They probably had no clue. That's my theory at least.

ETA: 10 is it? Burke was what? 9? Makes one's ignorance of the law even more probable than not that they would try and cover up the horrific incident.

This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 4:23 pm
Posted by nvasil1
Hellinois
Member since Oct 2009
17732 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 4:24 pm to
quote:

You may think you know what it would be like or how you'd do, but you don't. You don't know which way is up and your reactions to everything are slightly bonkers.

That's fair, but did you see the video?

Burke was a chatterbox up until he was asked what was in the bowl in the photo. Then he went quiet.
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
Member since Aug 2013
43290 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 4:27 pm to
fair point i have never been interrogated so i wouldn't know how i would react but i was just perplexed how he got quiet after the investigator told him what that picture was about and how he just went quiet thats all i am trying to say.
Posted by Dr RC
The Money Pit
Member since Aug 2011
61468 posts
Posted on 9/20/16 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

okay that's fine but how do you explain his reaction later on in the show when the investigator tells him what the picture he is looking at is the pineapple on the table and how he just starts figiting around not knowing what to say. I think it is pretty clear whether or not he actually did the crime he knows more than what he is letting on.


that could be nothing more than him dealing w/a sudden rush of emotion caused by him remembering how his dead sister used to really like pineapple.

it's not like it's a strange thing for a random sight, smell, or sound to trigger a feeling that causes one to momentarily be at a loss for words.
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 4:30 pm
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