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re: Would You Drive This? The most affordable long range EV sold in the US
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:04 pm to Steadyhands
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:04 pm to Steadyhands
quote:I love how pointing out something that is factually incorrect and giving the actual correct information is considered "on a high horse"
I agree. Schel is in here on a high horse about how his/her ev is cheaper and saving a bunch on fuel cost.
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Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:05 pm to goofball
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Would You Drive This?
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Chevy
Probably not
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:12 pm to goofball
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100 miles?
What car are you talking about? The BMW i3?
The one in the article quoted.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:19 pm to shel311
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Also, what you're missing is I can buy a Cybertruck, and I'm 99.9999% certain I can keep it for 2 years and do the same exact thing as my current car, and thus coming out spending $2k or less every 2 years total out of pocket for a car. I'd bet you or certainly some others who have trucks that are paid off, and they'd still pay more total out of pocket than I will be despite buying new over a 4 or 6 year span and having 3 different cars. Maybe not less than anyone obviously, but if you have a big truck and drive a good bit, I'd bet you easily spend $2k in gas/maintenance over a 2 year span if you're taking good care of your vehicle.
This is all false. I bought a used diesel truck in great condition. Have had it 7 years and not came close to your 750 a year loss in maintenance. That's including oil changes, fuel filter changes, tires, etc.
You will likely lose a lot more on a cyber truck if you sell it after only a couple years. Probably will lose 5-10k on that one.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:20 pm to Steadyhands
quote:You didn't count the cost to fill up?
This is all false. I bought a used diesel truck in great condition. Have had it 7 years and not came close to your 750 a year loss in maintenance. That's including oil changes, fuel filter changes, tires, etc.
quote:What do you think makes it any different than the other Tesla models that are all holding value at pretty incredible rates?
You will likely lose a lot more on a cyber truck if you sell it after only a couple years. Probably will lose 5-10k on that one.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:25 pm to shel311
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I love how pointing out something that is factually incorrect and giving the actual correct information is considered "on a high horse"
Damn you for pointing out my stupidity!!!!
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:37 pm to shel311
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I agree. Schel is in here on a high horse about how his/her ev is cheaper and saving a bunch on fuel cost.
I love how pointing out something that is factually incorrect and giving the actual correct information is considered "on a high horse"
The high horse part is where you then plan to buy a new vehicle after about 2 years, so you aren't saving anything.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:39 pm to Steadyhands
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I bought a used diesel truck in great condition. Have had it 7 years and not came close to your 750 a year loss in maintenance.
Must not be a Ford.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:41 pm to Steadyhands
quote:Imagine that deciding to buy a new vehicle 2 years after you purchased another one is being on a high horse.
The high horse part is where you then plan to buy a new vehicle after about 2 years
That makes no sense.
You're pretending I came into this thread out of nowhere just randomly talking about the savings of an EV, when the reality was dudes were talking about having to purchase a new battery, saying charging at home would actually cost more than cost of gas for a gas powered vehicle and various other statements that simply weren't corrected, and I provided more accurate information.
What it all comes down to is, you are upset that someone corrected misinformation, again, which makes no sense.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:41 pm to Steadyhands
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1500 lost to a car spread over 2 years isn't necessarily a waste of money, but only keeping it for 2 years makes it so.
Keeping any new car for only two years is going to give you a bigger hit than keeping it for 7-8 years.
EV’s like Tesla do hold their value very well though.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:46 pm to member12
quote:Correct
EV’s like Tesla do hold their value very well though.
quote:I think we've snuffed this one out. That poster just that this was some big gotcha because I dared to point out a few inaccuracies with more accurate information.
Keeping any new car for only two years is going to give you a bigger hit than keeping it for 7-8 years.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:47 pm to goofball
Retards and fart sniffers will buy it.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:51 pm to shel311
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This is all false. I bought a used diesel truck in great condition. Have had it 7 years and not came close to your 750 a year loss in maintenance. That's including oil changes, fuel filter changes, tires, etc.
You didn't count the cost to fill up?
I'm not buying a new vehicle either. I would bet factoring in my additional fuel cost would still come out cheaper than your cost. If you were to keep your vehicle, then yes you would eventually spend less than me.
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You will likely lose a lot more on a cyber truck if you sell it after only a couple years. Probably will lose 5-10k on that one.
What do you think makes it any different than the other Tesla models that are all holding value at pretty incredible rates?
So do regular trucks, especially diesel. The value of a 2 year old cyber truck is not going to be only 2k less than when you first but it. If that were true, who would buy a used one. 2k more and you get a brand new current year model vs a used one with 30k miles.
You cannot buy a new vehicle every couple of years and break even. You are probably kidding yourself with only the 2k loss on your current ev after 2 years. If your thing is having a flashy new vehicle every couple of years and you have the money for it, go for it. In that case you may as well get an EV to try and not lose as much money.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:54 pm to Buryl
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The environmental costs of batteries are real but overblown. Unlike petrol fueled vehicles, the battery is not "consumed" by way of use. So at the end of its lifespan, the lithium, nickel, cobalt, etc. will be recycled into a new battery.
By contrast, a 25mpg car will consume 52,000 pounds of fuel over 200,000 miles. This excludes energy to extract, transport, and refine the fuel.
You left out all the costs of creating the electricity to charge your car. There are costs/fuels/byproducts of generating electricity (which is lossy) and then trasmit it to your house (which is lossy) and charge your battery (more loss) and then convert it again to kinetic energy (driving, also lossy).
EV's aren't a miracle.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:54 pm to shel311
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The advancements in just the last 10 years have been pretty darn amazing.
From the original range to the range we see nowadays. From actually taking 1-1.5 hours to charge to now 15 minute to get you on your way, there's been huge advancements.
Not really. If you really knew anything about battery technology, you'd know that energy density has not significantly improved in the last 10+ years. They can package more batteries and the control software is better but fundamental limitation of very low energy per unit mass, at any cost, compared to gasoline and diesel is simply not going to overcome with existing battery technology.
This post was edited on 2/16/21 at 3:55 pm
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:55 pm to Steadyhands
quote:I bet it would be pretty darn close unless you rarely drive. So I'm paying monthly payments for a vehicle, and you have a car that is paid off and yet still likely spending the same total costs out the door as me after 2 years...but I'm the only one wasting money. Ok
I'm not buying a new vehicle either. I would bet factoring in my additional fuel cost would still come out cheaper than your cost.
quote:Then you're going to have to explain why the value of my 2 year old current Tesla is only $2k less than what I paid for it...because it is. So you basically have no reason for something you stated as fact, it was "just cause"
The value of a 2 year old cyber truck is not going to be only 2k less than when you first but it. If that were true, who would buy a used one. 2k more and you get a brand new current year model vs a used one with 30k miles.
quote:So now your argument is just "I don't think you're right, just cause" I mean, what are you doing right now?
You cannot buy a new vehicle every couple of years and break even. You are probably kidding yourself with only the 2k loss on your current ev after 2 years.
quote:And spend roughly the same out the door as you and your paid off diesel truck, go figure.
In that case you may as well get an EV to try and not lose as much money.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:56 pm to shel311
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You're pretending I came into this thread out of nowhere just randomly talking about the savings of an EV, when the reality was dudes were talking about having to purchase a new battery, saying charging at home would actually cost more than cost of gas for a gas powered vehicle and various other statements that simply weren't corrected, and I provided more accurate information.
Let me help you understand. Here are the top arguments against electric vehicles posted in this thread:
1. They cost too much because you have to charge them from 0 to 100% every day regardless of how much you drive. Because the extra range you don’t use evaporates I guess?
2. The cheapest long range EV available can’t go off road like a pickup truck or a Jeep can. Never mind that most pickups and Jeeps are primarily used as commuter cars and are almost never taken off road.
3. You want to trade your EV in after 2 years for a bigger and better EV, therefore all EV’s cost too much to own.
3. They take 8 hours to charge on a household outlet, therefore the fast charging must also take hours. Also pay me $20 because I’m a moron.
4. It can’t drive 800 miles across Texas in a blizzard while towing 6 tons without recharging. Which I’m sure every F-150 is expected to do on a weekly basis.
5. ICE vehicles never require maintenance so the lower maintenance costs of an EV is irrelevant.
Mind you this is on a message board where fake news and propaganda is almost unanimously criticized.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:56 pm to shel311
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You're pretending I came into this thread out of nowhere just randomly talking about the savings of an EV, when the reality was dudes were talking about having to purchase a new battery, saying charging at home would actually cost more than cost of gas for a gas powered vehicle and various other statements that simply weren't corrected, and I provided more accurate information.
Read the thread again. Almost none of this actually happened. No one said it would cost more to charge than the cost of gas. The biggest issues people had was the lack of use for anything other than commuting due to limited range and lack of infrastructure to charge quickly. Those are real issues to most people, specifically 259 miles and 30 minutes "rapid charge" to get only an additional 100 miles. Your vehicle may do better, but not the one in the op.
Posted on 2/16/21 at 3:57 pm to Clames
quote:Range and Charge time have signification improved, those are facts.
Not really. If you really knew anything about battery technology, you'd know that energy density has not significantly improved in the last 10+ years. They can package more batteries and the control software is better but fundamental limitation of very low energy per unit mass, at any cost, compared to gasoline and diesel is simply not going to overcome with existing battery technology.
Also, Teslas new 4680 battery cells are certainly an upgrade in battery technology compared to where they were 10 years ago.
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