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re: Woman Shot Dead as Mob Overran Capitol ID’ed as QAnon supporting 14-year Air Force Vet
Posted on 1/7/21 at 2:53 pm to BluegrassBelle
Posted on 1/7/21 at 2:53 pm to BluegrassBelle
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You linked what I posted out of context to suit your "gotcha".
So you're saying the cops DIDNT overreact? Or did they?
Since you're so smart explain what you meant when you said "the police overreacted"
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Posted on 1/7/21 at 2:54 pm to BluegrassBelle
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was pointing out that it would've been appropriate to bring in the National Guard beforehand as we've done so in non-political events quite often when expecting large crowds.
When is the National Guard ever brought in beforehand???...
Posted on 1/7/21 at 2:54 pm to LordSnow
again, if only our police and security guards would’ve used this same logic against BLM & Antifa. Think of how many small businesses would’ve been saved!
Posted on 1/7/21 at 2:55 pm to tgrbaitn08
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So you're saying the cops DIDNT overreact? Or did they?
Since you're so smart explain what you meant when you said "the police overreacted"
You are the one who called the guy a "nervous cop".
I was pointing out if that's going to be the line of defense for why this woman shouldn't have been shot, then it would be appropriate to have a discussion on providing support for US Capitol police beforehand so that they wouldn't be "nervous cop(s)". Your quote by the way.
Again, I'm sorry your comprehension can't grasp that. I was very clear on what I felt like caused her shooting and that it was a good shoot in previous posts.
You're the one acting like a petulant child over that.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 2:56 pm to 1BamaRTR
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The BLM protests had more a history of spiraling out of control.
Some of these right-wing groups have a history of inciting violence as well, so that's a bit of a cop out. It also ignores many events in DC for groups that have no history of violence and there being National Guard there for crowd control and security. There were National Guard units there for the oft mocked Women's March back in 2017. There is rarely violence at Presidential inaugurations, but the city is covered in security for those.
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You still haven’t told me why you’re so certain that if the crowd were mostly Muslim or non-white, they would’ve been dealt with much more harshly. Maybe even shot.
While I didn't make that specific claim, I do think there would have been a much larger security presence if those type of groups had planned an event with an expected turnout of over 100k people. And in that scenario, had things turned violent or destructive, it would have been an ugly scene with multiple arrests and lots of bloodshed. To that end, I'm not sure the group yesterday would have attempted to storm the Capitol had there been a larger security presence.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 2:57 pm to lepdagod
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When is the National Guard ever brought in beforehand???...
We use them here for the Derby. They've been used (as I've linked and pointed out) for Super Bowls, Final Four, etc.
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The partnership between the Derby and the Kentucky National Guard is at least 80 years old. The first official orders placing Kentucky National Guardsmen at the Derby were in 1936, instructing 600 of them to maintain order and prevent riots. The Kentucky State Police were not established until 1948, so the Guardsmen role was critical to the Derby’s security and law enforcement in those early years. And the Guardsmen loved it. During the 1940s so many Guardsmen wanted to work the Derby that the Adjutant General had to limit the number of units that provided support. In 1947, more than 1300 Guardsmen were on hand at the Derby, the largest contingent to date. Now that Kentucky has a police force, the Guardsmen’s contingent may be smaller, but it still play critical role in the ceremony and security of an event as high profile as the Kentucky Derby.
Kentucky Derby history of its relationship with the NG
Posted on 1/7/21 at 2:58 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Atlanta has hosted the Final Four several times. Minneapolis has hosted the Final Four a few times. They typically average upwards of 140,000 fans at those events.
you're reaching so hard...
Let's talk about how the Capitol Police overreacted and shot and killed that woman yesterday
We talk about not putting police in a bad position to overreact, but that certainly happened yesterday.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 2:59 pm to BluegrassBelle
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You are the one who called the guy a "nervous cop".
Yes I did and I stand by that statement...I'm not crawfishing...you're trying to deflect.
Your words..not mine
We talk about not putting police in a bad position to overreact, but that certainly happened yesterday.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 2:59 pm to tgrbaitn08
Jesus, you really are dense.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 3:01 pm to BluegrassBelle
and you suck at debating and arguments. Cant even back up your own statements after I've given you multiple opportunities.....you are looking like a fool and a hypocrite.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 3:02 pm to tgrbaitn08
Sure, bud.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Whatever helps you sleep at night.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 3:04 pm to BluegrassBelle
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BluegrassBelle
dumb bitch...go cook supper
Posted on 1/7/21 at 3:05 pm to tgrbaitn08
Oh no, he's name calling now because he didn't get his way.
I do declare. Whatever will I do.
I do declare. Whatever will I do.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 3:09 pm to BluegrassBelle
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Oh no, he's name calling now because he didn't get his way.
No I ended this conversation because you're too stupid to back up your statements and I dont have time for stupid little bitches like yourself.
If and when you ever decide to explain yourself....you know where to find me and we can continue this debate...until then go make me a sandwich.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 1/7/21 at 3:11 pm to BluegrassBelle
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We talk about not putting police in a bad position to overreact, but that certainly happened yesterday.
You did say this...
Posted on 1/7/21 at 3:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You did say this...
For someone who thinks he's the smartest man in the room, you sure don't grasp taking quotes out of context.
Posted on 1/7/21 at 3:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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You did say this...
Thank you....for a second there I thought I was living in a twilight zone taking crazy pills
Posted on 1/7/21 at 3:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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...putting police in a bad position...certainly happened yesterday.
not that hard to dissect
Posted on 1/7/21 at 3:16 pm to Speedy G
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not that hard to dissect
The full exchange (with Spleen's post):
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And I'm not blaming Capitol Police. From every video I've seen, they were just outmanned and overwhelmed. It was pretty evident a decision was made to protect the House and Senate staff, and just let them in until reinforcements arrived. If that was in fact the decision made, it likely saved some lives and serious injuries. It is appalling only 13 arrests were made, but I expect that number to massively increase in the next few days.
That seems to be a pretty valid question. We talk about not putting police in a bad position to overreact, but that certainly happened yesterday. National Guard should've been called in preemptively as a presence at the very least.
The "certainly happened yesterday" was in regard to leaving Capitol police hanging out to dry without any support, not calling in the National Guard beforehand so it doesn't escalate to the point it did. Pretty easy to understand I thought. Maybe not.
This post was edited on 1/7/21 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 1/7/21 at 3:17 pm to BluegrassBelle
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For someone who thinks he's the smartest man in the room, you sure don't grasp taking quotes out of context.
Well, you're saying they were put in a position to overreact, and I am not sure what you're basing that upon.
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