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re: Wisdom from Thomas Jefferson
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:36 am to MarineVet
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:36 am to MarineVet
Problem is when less than 1% holds the majority of the wealth, then creates legislation to retain said wealth. Say what you want about these modern progressives, but the progressives of the past gave us national parks, which stopped massive destruction of our lands and helped poor southerners feed themselves through social programs. Appalachia and Acadia was starving before welfare. Let's not even get started on decade long wars we fight.
This post was edited on 7/17/19 at 9:39 am
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Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:37 am to MarineVet
quote:Business Insider
Typical rebuttal... Thank you for your opinion.
Monticello
I'm sorry that I rely on trustworthy sources, and you rely on Facebook.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:38 am to AgCoug
quote:
Nevermind the fact that you cannot compare the issues of the late 18th and early 19th centuries with those of the 21st.
The issue of the proper role of government isn't an issue for both time periods?
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:39 am to AgCoug
So based on your assertion... any information or data collected from time past is irrelevant because it happened in the past and not in the present? You are of the mind set that our government is smarter than the people who created it?
It all makes sense now.. good day.
It all makes sense now.. good day.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:39 am to MarineVet
It’s unfortunate that people now have a reasonable expectation that the government will take care of them. That wasn’t the original design.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:40 am to MarineVet
quote:
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -- Thomas Jefferson
If we're going to base arguments off of historical quotes, let's at least use quotes that are real.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:40 am to MarineVet
Jefferson was a brilliant writer and thinker.
The problem is we'd probably be speaking German or Russian in this thread if his ideas had become more mainstream.
The problem is we'd probably be speaking German or Russian in this thread if his ideas had become more mainstream.
This post was edited on 7/17/19 at 9:41 am
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:42 am to AUCE05
quote:
Problem is when less than 1% holds the majority of the wealth, then creates legislation to retain said wealth.
Do you think there is a set amount of "wealth" that is shared among the people, so that the rich having more "wealth" keeps "wealth" out of the hands of other people?
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:42 am to MarineVet
Well it's obvious that TJ was an racist and bigot.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:43 am to AUCE05
Haha... No one is saying that creating parks are bad? Is that the only progressive idea you can come up with? John Rockefeller created the University of Chicago...with countless other tycoons who built big endowments for the beginnings of your en lighted anti capitalistic education. Thanks for the parks though...
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:43 am to YouAre8Up
quote:This is a misquote.
"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes, the propagation of ideas which he?? disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
quote:Jefferson never said it.
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -- Thomas Jefferson
Business Insider
Monticello
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:47 am to Salviati
Business insider? LMAO
Thomas Jefferson in his state of the Union wrote about the “the freedom of labor from taxation”. He felt government should protect its citizens from internal taxation.
Jefferson’s view on taxes were clear, they were wrong. I think it is better to look at people’s original words so I have put together some quotes by Jefferson on the issue. Jefferson believed large debt and direct taxes were a curse and something to be avoided as it was the source of oppression.
Cheers
Thomas Jefferson in his state of the Union wrote about the “the freedom of labor from taxation”. He felt government should protect its citizens from internal taxation.
Jefferson’s view on taxes were clear, they were wrong. I think it is better to look at people’s original words so I have put together some quotes by Jefferson on the issue. Jefferson believed large debt and direct taxes were a curse and something to be avoided as it was the source of oppression.
Cheers
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:47 am to Salviati
quote:
This is a misquote.
You're picking some serious nits.
quote:
"...to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical..."
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:50 am to Salviati
A couple more for the panties that are getting bunched...
“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”
“There is nothing more unequal than the equal treatment of unequal people.”
“If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be.”
“There is nothing more unequal than the equal treatment of unequal people.”
Posted on 7/17/19 at 9:54 am to Salviati
Here is one for those evil tariffs...
"It must be observed that our revenues are raised almost wholly on imported goods." --Thomas Jefferson to Gouverneur Morris, 1793. ME 9:198
"It must be observed that our revenues are raised almost wholly on imported goods." --Thomas Jefferson to Gouverneur Morris, 1793. ME 9:198
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:01 am to HogX
In other words...
"I... place economy among the first and most important of republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared." --Thomas Jefferson to William Plumer, 1816. ME 15:46
"As the doctrine is that a public debt is a public blessing, so [the chickens of the treasury] think a perpetual one is a perpetual blessing, and therefore wish to make it so large that we can never pay it off." --Thomas Jefferson to Nicholas Lewis, 1792. ME 8:325
"I... place economy among the first and most important of republican virtues, and public debt as the greatest of the dangers to be feared." --Thomas Jefferson to William Plumer, 1816. ME 15:46
"As the doctrine is that a public debt is a public blessing, so [the chickens of the treasury] think a perpetual one is a perpetual blessing, and therefore wish to make it so large that we can never pay it off." --Thomas Jefferson to Nicholas Lewis, 1792. ME 8:325
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:01 am to MarineVet
quote:
"To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes, the propagation of ideas which he?? disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical." -- Thomas Jefferson
This can go both ways. Lots of things we spend money on that I don't want it spent on. I'm all for a strong military but our military spending is completely out of control.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:04 am to MarineVet
There we go, much better.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:11 am to MarineVet
quote:
"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." -- Thomas Jefferson
Jefferson never said this.
Posted on 7/17/19 at 10:12 am to Centinel
quote:The quote was in reference to religious freedom. It was NOT about economic freedom.quote:You're picking some serious nits.
This is a misquote.quote:
"...to compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors, is sinful and tyrannical..."
Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom began simply as Bill No. 82, "A Bill For establishing religious freedom."
When Jefferson learned of the bill's passage, he had the Statute translated into French and Italian and distributed as widely as possible. Seeing the codification of religious liberty as one of the great achievements of his life, Jefferson asked that the Statute be one of the three things (with the Declaration of Independence and the founding of the University of Virginia) to be preserved on any memorial erected after his death.
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