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re: Wills & Paying For Nursing Home Question
Posted on 3/28/18 at 9:49 pm to White Roach
Posted on 3/28/18 at 9:49 pm to White Roach
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then a will can't be changed by that person
From what I understand my aunt and her daughter took my grandmother somewhere then went to the lawyers office. They tried to convince her to sign a new will and she refused to do so. They actually spent a few hours at the lawyers office until she finally signed it. I have no idea what convinced her to finally decide to sign it, but I do not know if the lawyer was aware she had alzheimer's or if it was before she was technically diagnosed, but I know for a fact they brought her to sign a new will, she continued to refuse and after a few hours there she eventually signed it.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:03 pm to White Roach
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Also, don't count on inheriting any thing of value from your grandmother.
At this point it is just a matter of finding out exactly what happened.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:03 pm to OweO
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I have no idea what convinced her to finally decide to sign it, but I do not know if the lawyer was aware she had alzheimer's or if it was before she was technically diagnosed, but I know for a fact they brought her to sign a new will
you cannot change a will if you are not of sound mind and body...I am no attorney, but it sounds like this last will may be successfully challenged in court.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:09 pm to OweO
That's fricked up, dementia or not. If what you're saying is true and that attorney knew your grandmother was coerced into signing a new will, that's professional malpractice.
My father had a type of lung cancer that frequently metastasized to the brain. After chemo and radiation, his PET scans were clean and he was doing well. Out of an abundance of caution, his oncology team recommended 28 radiation sessions to his brain. So we did it.
I don't know what went wrong, but he experienced a very rapid onset of dementia. He went from sharp as a tack to being unable to read, tell time or so simple arithmetic in about 10 or 12 weeks. The oncologists had never seen that happen so quickly before, not that that did my father any good.
Anyway, he could still sign his name and make pretty decent sense when he was talking. If you were watching a football game with him, you probably wouldn't notice he had any problem (unless he tried to eat). He had a few minor legal affairs to take care of and the documents needed to be notarized. My cousin is an attorney and notary and she had planned on taking care of it for him prior to his mental condition changing. By the time we got around to trying to take care of the legal stuff, she knew he wasn't mentally competent. Even though she knew what his and my mother's wishes were prior to his decline, she wouldn't notorize the documents because technically, it was an ethics or legal violation. (I cant remember which).
My father had a type of lung cancer that frequently metastasized to the brain. After chemo and radiation, his PET scans were clean and he was doing well. Out of an abundance of caution, his oncology team recommended 28 radiation sessions to his brain. So we did it.
I don't know what went wrong, but he experienced a very rapid onset of dementia. He went from sharp as a tack to being unable to read, tell time or so simple arithmetic in about 10 or 12 weeks. The oncologists had never seen that happen so quickly before, not that that did my father any good.
Anyway, he could still sign his name and make pretty decent sense when he was talking. If you were watching a football game with him, you probably wouldn't notice he had any problem (unless he tried to eat). He had a few minor legal affairs to take care of and the documents needed to be notarized. My cousin is an attorney and notary and she had planned on taking care of it for him prior to his mental condition changing. By the time we got around to trying to take care of the legal stuff, she knew he wasn't mentally competent. Even though she knew what his and my mother's wishes were prior to his decline, she wouldn't notorize the documents because technically, it was an ethics or legal violation. (I cant remember which).
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:43 pm to IAmNERD
One problem with selling property just before entry to a nursing home is that the property has to be gotten rid of a certain number of years before entry. You'll have to check, not under your own name, to find out this year's laws.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:50 pm to OweO
This is one area that I practice in. Seriously, go speak with a lawyer if you have questions. Most will give you a free consultation for a half hour to an hour and help answer a lot of your questions.
Medicaid planning is state dependent since it is a program administered by the states. Some states are more lenient than others when it comes to turning non exempt assets into exempt assets (and other planning tools). For instance, in my state I could get someone qualified for Medicaid and still keep a million+ of assets still in their name. Not that I would do that, but there is a lot of room for planning if you find a good lawyer.
Medicaid planning is state dependent since it is a program administered by the states. Some states are more lenient than others when it comes to turning non exempt assets into exempt assets (and other planning tools). For instance, in my state I could get someone qualified for Medicaid and still keep a million+ of assets still in their name. Not that I would do that, but there is a lot of room for planning if you find a good lawyer.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:50 pm to IAmNERD
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Medicaid will but they need to spend all of their money down and have not more than $2,000 in assets to get on Medicaid.
Going through this now with my mom who had a massive stroke. We have her in a SNF now and would convert to Medicaid and the place is awful. Going to spend her assets down by moving her to a personal care home. From there, who knows.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 10:53 pm to Spankum
Competency depends on the state. Some states it's just a fleeting moment of capacity. Someone could be crazy for 90% of the day and have one period of full lucidity -- bam they have capacity to sign. Obviously if the person has been declared incompetent that's a whole different story
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:00 pm to Tiger HouTX
Go find an attorney in your area that does Medicaid planning. Good chance you can save the remaining assets she has, avoid the spend down, and get her qualified for Medicaid. Saving her remaining assets would be a huge help for her in the nursing home -- e.g. paying for a private room, paying for doctors not covered by insurance, paying for clothes/tv/other necessities
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:41 pm to TheOcean
Would a Life Estate to the children, 5 years from going into a home, suffice?
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:52 pm to OweO
Call a lawyer to deal with this. It’s amazing how people believe a will means anything before death and how a power of attorney means something after death.
Posted on 3/28/18 at 11:56 pm to OweO
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If so, if that person has a will, is the money that is put in the will used to pay for the nursing home?
Posted on 3/29/18 at 12:04 am to OweO
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Are you being sent to a home? Yeah, to your mom's home.

Posted on 3/29/18 at 7:33 am to matthew25
Life estate depends on the state. Some states the homestead is automatically exempted up to a certain amount so there's no need to do a life estate. Also I don't recommend a life estate to five children -- there could be a number of title issues that pop up.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:20 am to OweO
My grandmother passed last year after being in a home for about 15 years, at over $70k per year. She did no planning and didn't qualify for Medicaid, but would have had she lived a few more years.
Louisiana has a very strong nursing home lobby (and a few nursing home owners serving in the legislature). Recall that it was bribes in exchange for nursing home licenses that were at the root of Gov. Edwards' first trial in the 1980's.
Over 28,000 people are on waiting lists for home health alternatives to institutional care, but each year the legislature refuses to shift funding to increase such services. Old people prefer to be cared for at home, and it would be cheaper, but instead the state provides automatic rate increases to nursing homes that are ranked among the worst in the nation. In the current session a bill to increase home health was shot down in committee 6-2.
Your leges at work
Louisiana has a very strong nursing home lobby (and a few nursing home owners serving in the legislature). Recall that it was bribes in exchange for nursing home licenses that were at the root of Gov. Edwards' first trial in the 1980's.
Over 28,000 people are on waiting lists for home health alternatives to institutional care, but each year the legislature refuses to shift funding to increase such services. Old people prefer to be cared for at home, and it would be cheaper, but instead the state provides automatic rate increases to nursing homes that are ranked among the worst in the nation. In the current session a bill to increase home health was shot down in committee 6-2.
Your leges at work
Posted on 3/29/18 at 8:44 am to OweO
6 grand a month.
When all money is gone you go on Medicade.
Long term care insurance is way to go for people with assets.
It's expensive and underwriting is too tough.
I recommend anyone in their late 50s-60s to Invest in one.
My grandparents had one and both used it.
Benefits paid on their behalf was over $200,000.
That's 200k my dad gets instead of a nursing home.
When all money is gone you go on Medicade.
Long term care insurance is way to go for people with assets.
It's expensive and underwriting is too tough.
I recommend anyone in their late 50s-60s to Invest in one.
My grandparents had one and both used it.
Benefits paid on their behalf was over $200,000.
That's 200k my dad gets instead of a nursing home.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 9:08 am to p&g
Long term care insurance is really hit or miss. There's a lot of issues with older plans and new plans are very, very expensive.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 9:29 am to OweO
Depends on the nursing home and what they charge. Be very, very careful when selecting a nursing home.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 9:35 am to BRgetthenet
Yep, sound about right to me.
Posted on 3/29/18 at 9:36 am to OweO
Consider at home care/sitter before going the nursing home route. Assume you are talking about a family member, any military service in the past? Could make a difference in what is available for care.
This post was edited on 3/29/18 at 9:37 am
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