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re: Will the 28 TOPS requirement keep students in LA?

Posted on 2/17/16 at 11:37 am to
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 11:37 am to
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Those numbers are very misleading in my opinion.


I agree but was interested in seeing how state averages compare.
Posted by YouAre8Up
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 11:41 am to
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28 will NEVER happen. That would be racist.


Posted by tigercross
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 11:48 am to
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Louisiana had 100% of graduates tested as did other states. That can't be right can it?? It's not madatory. I wouldn't assume that EVERYONE takes it.


It actually IS mandatory for public school students to take, except for the extreme SPED kids.
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 11:59 am to
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Massachusetts had the highest national average at 24.3, but only 23% of graduates took the test. Do you think that 23% was comprised of the lowest level students?


That is a good point. I'd imagine LA has a higher average SAT composite score than the ACT equivalent because a student that is going to take the SAT in LA is likely bound for out-of-state schools and more intelligent on average. The same is true, albeit to a lesser extent, of the ACT in schools outside of the south. The best way to gauge the average for a state is to look at the preferred test for in-state schools.
Posted by Cracker
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 12:01 pm to
ole miss will ballon with enrollment
Posted by slackster
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 12:02 pm to
As for the OP, it is hard to argue that raising the standard will cause LA to lose quality students. Certainly we will lose students overall, but are those with a 20 ACT and a 2.7 GPA really going to hurt in the long run?

Louisiana would be much better served if we focused on the reasons our state averages are so abysmal instead of worrying about getting those embarrassingly low average students into college for cheap.
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 12:05 pm to
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It actually IS mandatory for public school students to take


I had no idea. How can they "force" families to pay for it? And how do they monitor who did and didn't you think? School counselor keeps tabs I guess?
Posted by tigercross
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 12:15 pm to
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I had no idea. How can they "force" families to pay for it? And how do they monitor who did and didn't you think? School counselor keeps tabs I guess?


It's paid for by the state and is administered during school hours.
Posted by 1234567k
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 12:16 pm to
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Louisiana had 100% of graduates tested as did other states. That can't be right can it?? It's not madatory. I wouldn't assume that EVERYONE takes it.


They do.
Those numbers mean nothing.
The scores go up as the percentage of takers goes down.

What i want to know is: have our act scores gone up since we started giving tops?
Has the program encouraged kids to study?
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 12:21 pm to
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It's paid for by the state and is administered during school hours.



Wow.
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 12:23 pm to
W
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hat i want to know is: have our act scores gone up since we started giving tops?
Has the program encouraged kids to study?



This is national so it may not answer your question ... looking for Louisiana data.
Looks pretty steady
Posted by Chicken
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 12:30 pm to
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UT's in-state is around $26,000 for reference.
Tuition or all in? Pretty sure that is all in
Posted by Oddibe
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:15 pm to
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Louisiana would be much better served if we focused on the reasons our state averages are so abysmal instead of worrying about getting those embarrassingly low average students into college for cheap.
I agree, instead of cheap education for marginal students, why not lower the out-of-state costs and attract a higher quality student?
Posted by MC5601
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 1:29 pm to
I had a 28 and 3.89 GPA out of state and didn't even get IN to the business school at UT Austin. LSU waived my out of state fees and gave me a $4000 scholarship per year. It's amazing how much easier the requirements for scholarships are at LSU vs other schools.
Posted by 1234567k
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:17 pm to
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I agree, instead of cheap education for marginal students, why not lower the out-of-state costs and attract a higher quality student


Cuz my tax dollars run LSU. If my kid cant go then im not paying for it. This is a piblic univ we are talking about
This post was edited on 2/17/16 at 3:20 pm
Posted by 1234567k
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:28 pm to
Look. I scored 23 act. My oldest son scored a 22 and we both graduated college but he is waaay smarter than me and worked way harder. He Excelled in college and at work. He now works for a very prestigious company pulling down almost 6 figures and he is only 27
U know sum ov us dum ashes can contrbute too society two
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:38 pm to
Slackster look at the link I posted below with state by state national averages. We compare fairly ok ... But that's not saying a lot. I thought we'd be the rock bottom.
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 2/17/16 at 3:39 pm to
Out of state and in state scholarships are way different. That 28 and gpa don't get you that. I know for a fact.
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