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re: Will Smith (NFL) shot dead in NOLA

Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:45 am to
Posted by jeff5891
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Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:45 am to
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Could the bullets have been slowed down by the plastic and leather upholstery and all the stuff that's in the door behind the metal?
yes, even human flesh

a straight shot at the door would most likely tear through, though
This post was edited on 4/10/16 at 11:47 am
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:47 am to
How would you know who the off duty cop is?
Posted by Carson123987
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Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:47 am to
quote:

Could the bullets have been slowed down by the plastic and leather upholstery and all the stuff that's in the door behind the metal?


lots of things could've happened, that's why I said it's unlikely instead of impossible. I've taken courses shooting in, from, and around vehicles, and, they almost always go straight through. that's why you're trained not to take cover behind vehicle doors.

also depends on the kind of load that ol' boy was shooting. lots of things come into play. what you said could be exactly right though, could've hit some internal mechanisms, etc. guess we'll find out later
This post was edited on 4/10/16 at 11:49 am
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:47 am to
quote:

He pleaded guilty in June 2012 to a weapons charge and the possession of codeine, and received a 5-year prison sentence that was immediately suspended.
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In June 2013, Hayes rejected a plea offer from prosecutors. Finally, in January 2014 he pleaded guilty to a reduced weapons charge and to a count of possession of drug paraphernalia. He received a suspended six-month sentence, records show.
Solid judicial work right there
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:49 am to
Pretty sure there was a pic taken an hour or so before this happened (maybe it was on the Saints board??) but it looks like the same guy sitting as one of the 3 on the sidewalk. To me the other thread said retired Police something or other.
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:50 am to
Hammer so those are separate arrests or all the same??
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:50 am to
As if we didn't already know this guy was a complete POS

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The page also shows breeding pitbulls as one of Hayes' hobbies.


LINK
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
120222 posts
Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:50 am to
Seems like a stand up guy. -tducen
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:52 am to
Not really sure. The first arrest they talked about in the article was in like 2010. If so, he drug it out for 4 years and went from a 5 year suspended sentence to a 6 month suspended sentence, which you spend no time in jail for

Yeah, looks like the same incident. Idk how the drugs and weapon magically disappeared, but they did
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Hayes has one previous arrest, on Aug. 1, 2010, court records show. Hayes was charged with illegal carrying of a weapon, illegal possession of codeine and possession of drug paraphernalia, among other charges. He pleaded guilty in June 2012 to a weapons charge and the possession of codeine, and received a 5-year prison sentence that was immediately suspended. But Hayes withdrew his guilty plea the following month, records show.

In June 2013, Hayes rejected a plea offer from prosecutors. Finally, in January 2014 he pleaded guilty to a reduced weapons charge and to a count of possession of drug paraphernalia. He received a suspended six-month sentence, records show.
This post was edited on 4/10/16 at 11:55 am
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:56 am to
Probably because there is a picture of him from an hour before the incident....

Let the anger flow....
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:57 am to
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NIH
shite man you are angry, kinda hilarious at this point though. All because I gave the other side of the argument that you don't agree with because you are a Saint's fan.
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15911 posts
Posted on 4/10/16 at 11:57 am to
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I've taken courses shooting in, from, and around vehicles, and, they almost always go straight through. that's why you're trained not to take cover behind vehicle doors.


more people need to know this.

movies frick it up all the time. same with bullets traveling through water
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
120222 posts
Posted on 4/10/16 at 12:00 pm to
Yeah, man it's so hilarious.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
67800 posts
Posted on 4/10/16 at 12:01 pm to
quote:

same with bullets traveling through water


yup. if you can submerge yourself 6 inches below the surface, you are safe if they have a 50bmg, go a foot under just to be safe
Posted by Chris Warner
Perdido Bay
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 4/10/16 at 12:02 pm to
On Mitch
Posted by tduecen
Member since Nov 2006
161246 posts
Posted on 4/10/16 at 12:02 pm to
I find it funny you've taken it to a personal level
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43031 posts
Posted on 4/10/16 at 12:06 pm to
I'd rather take the chance behind something than stand out in the open....if I'm gonna be getting shot at. Yeah, bullets can go through a door skin, but you don't know what else they'll hit and maybe stop or deflect from
Posted by jeff5891
Member since Aug 2011
15911 posts
Posted on 4/10/16 at 12:10 pm to
quote:

if they have a 50bmg, go a foot under just to be safe



Mythbusters
Posted by rsbd
banks of the Mississippi
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 4/10/16 at 12:15 pm to
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One of the defendants named in the lawsuit Hayes filed against the city was Billy Ceravolo, who retired from the NOPD in 2013. Ceravolo was with Smith Saturday night at dinner just before he was shot.
Posted by bencoleman
RIP 7/19
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 4/10/16 at 12:16 pm to
So basically the shooter and Will knew each other and probably had some I of altercation. The accident was probably done on purpose to get him to stop.
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