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re: Why would a tour company not want a big group to have tents on the Appalachian Trail?

Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:03 pm to
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
45930 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:03 pm to
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Things that should be happening: water filtration systems belong with every hiker (and how to use them). How to read maps. What happens if Susie Creamcheese freaks out when it gets dark, like black with no light and she can't get a signal to call home?


Every kid should have a whistle and a couple of lightsticks.
Posted by Macavity92
Member since Dec 2004
6270 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:03 pm to
I did the same trip in the foothills of the Appalachians in 8th grade. Some nights the weather was no nice we slept without a tent or tarp, just a sleeping bag under the stars. As for the temp, I find tents do not offer much protection. The tarp is fine and will keep the kids dry.

The water weight will drop as they hike. Also not a big concern. Weight can be distributed in a pack.

This will be a great experience for the kids. Let them go. At worst, their sleeping bag gets a little wet. More likely, they learn lessons and make memories that last a lifetime.
Posted by SlapahoeTribe
Tiger Nation
Member since Jul 2012
12441 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:07 pm to
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Also, these kids are having to carry four liters of water (weighing 9 pounds) because they won't be hiking or camping near water sources
On the Appalachian Trail???

Posted by Slagathor
Makin' jokes about your teeny tiny
Member since Jul 2007
38952 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:09 pm to
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not want a big group to have tents on the Appalachian Trail


too much in-tent-city
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88069 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:11 pm to
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too much in-tent-city



I'd like to canvass the area for a different opinion
Posted by FightinTigersDammit
Louisiana North
Member since Mar 2006
45930 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:15 pm to
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I'd like to canvass the area for a different opinion


You staking a claim?
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:15 pm to
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Is it wrong I take joy in the thought of kids today having to be inconvenienced in nature?



Thought the same thing
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:16 pm to
Was a rite of passage in scouts.

Here is your visqueen, compass,map, flint, and rope. These are directions to your food cache. See you in two days.

Maybe.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:17 pm to
Rain is the only issue, but I bet there is covered areas.

mid 40s - mid 50s is perfect thick sleeping bag weather IMO and there won't be many bugs at that temp.

Sounds like a fun time.

ETA:

Bears are the worry I assume.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 5:20 pm
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88069 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:20 pm to
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mid 40s - mid 50s is perfect thick sleeping bag weather IMO and there won't be many bugs at that temp.


yep, the pussification continues, thanks to the parents, can't have little Braxtyn and Aydyn having to spend a night outdoors, where would they plug in their play stations??
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 5:21 pm
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88069 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:21 pm to
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Bears are the worry I assume.


we must expect some casualties
Posted by crispyUGA
Upstate SC
Member since Feb 2011
16197 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:22 pm to
With a proper sleeping bag the kids will be plenty warm in a tube tent. To cut down on weight I usually hike with a tube tent unless heavy rain is expected.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
Member since Jan 2004
76774 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:23 pm to
The worst camping is when it's hot AF so you don't want to be in a tent, much less and sleeping bag, and mosquitoes form like rain clouds around any exposed flesh.

I hate sleeping in the heat though

This is my setup if it's hot outside...

Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88069 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:25 pm to
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This is my setup if it's hot outside...


is that the ac condensation discharge at the bottom?
Posted by hob
Member since Dec 2017
2340 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:26 pm to
Each kid is carrying 4 liters of water. That sounds like barely enough water for one day if you include cooking. I'd say the "guide" is carrying one water pump per group to refill the bottles when necessary.

Tents offer no protection from bears. A tarp offers the same protections from rain as a tent. The leader will teach the kids how to properly setup camp and store the food/cooking area away from the sleeping area. I don't think I've hear of any "bear attacks". They don't want to deal with people and usually run off unless defending cubs or a juvenile male is trying to establish territory. "Mini-bears" raccoons will be a bigger issue.

Most of the backcountry areas don't have enough space for a large group of tents and the tents destroy the area causing massive erosion. Hammocks used in large numbers are bad too because in heavily trafficked areas they strip the bark off the trees and cause them to die.

You have to try to minimize the human impact in the heavily used areas.

I've been the adult on many trips like this and I have sent my kids on many trips like this. When the kids return they will stand taller, have more confidence and will have bragging rights over the other kids. Let them get out and rough it for a few days.



Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
133052 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:29 pm to
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Was a rite of passage in scouts. Here is your visqueen, compass,map, flint, and rope. These are directions to your food cache.

See you in two days. Maybe.


That was some good stuff. Put hair on your chest. Taught you to be a man.


Now they let goddamn girls in the boy scouts
Posted by Martini
Near Athens
Member since Mar 2005
49587 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:32 pm to
Be sure they all get brand new hiking boots and don’t get them dirty until the morning of the first hike.
Posted by Bigfishchoupique
Member since Jul 2017
9445 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:34 pm to
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there are two teachers with each group of eight kids....
Is that gonna be enough teachers to go around for the boys ? Sounds like somebody not gonna get laid.
Posted by RocketTiger
Member since Mar 2014
1220 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:34 pm to
2 liters should be enough. There are plenty of water sources and towns along the AT to replenish. The tour company is being over cautious with the water and not with the shelters.
Posted by Eli Goldfinger
Member since Sep 2016
32785 posts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:38 pm to
Which section will they be on?

Water is scarce on some sections of the AT.
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