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re: Why would a tour company not want a big group to have tents on the Appalachian Trail?
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:03 pm to real turf fan
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:03 pm to real turf fan
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Things that should be happening: water filtration systems belong with every hiker (and how to use them). How to read maps. What happens if Susie Creamcheese freaks out when it gets dark, like black with no light and she can't get a signal to call home?
Every kid should have a whistle and a couple of lightsticks.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:03 pm to Chicken
I did the same trip in the foothills of the Appalachians in 8th grade. Some nights the weather was no nice we slept without a tent or tarp, just a sleeping bag under the stars. As for the temp, I find tents do not offer much protection. The tarp is fine and will keep the kids dry.
The water weight will drop as they hike. Also not a big concern. Weight can be distributed in a pack.
This will be a great experience for the kids. Let them go. At worst, their sleeping bag gets a little wet. More likely, they learn lessons and make memories that last a lifetime.
The water weight will drop as they hike. Also not a big concern. Weight can be distributed in a pack.
This will be a great experience for the kids. Let them go. At worst, their sleeping bag gets a little wet. More likely, they learn lessons and make memories that last a lifetime.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:07 pm to Chicken
quote:On the Appalachian Trail???
Also, these kids are having to carry four liters of water (weighing 9 pounds) because they won't be hiking or camping near water sources

Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:09 pm to Chicken
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not want a big group to have tents on the Appalachian Trail
too much in-tent-city
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:11 pm to Slagathor
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too much in-tent-city
I'd like to canvass the area for a different opinion
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:15 pm to 777Tiger
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I'd like to canvass the area for a different opinion
You staking a claim?
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:15 pm to SEClint
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Is it wrong I take joy in the thought of kids today having to be inconvenienced in nature?
Thought the same thing
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:16 pm to fr33manator
Was a rite of passage in scouts.
Here is your visqueen, compass,map, flint, and rope. These are directions to your food cache. See you in two days.
Maybe.
Here is your visqueen, compass,map, flint, and rope. These are directions to your food cache. See you in two days.
Maybe.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:17 pm to Chicken
Rain is the only issue, but I bet there is covered areas.
mid 40s - mid 50s is perfect thick sleeping bag weather IMO and there won't be many bugs at that temp.
Sounds like a fun time.
ETA:
Bears are the worry I assume.
mid 40s - mid 50s is perfect thick sleeping bag weather IMO and there won't be many bugs at that temp.
Sounds like a fun time.
ETA:
Bears are the worry I assume.
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 5:20 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:20 pm to TheCaterpillar
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mid 40s - mid 50s is perfect thick sleeping bag weather IMO and there won't be many bugs at that temp.
yep, the pussification continues, thanks to the parents, can't have little Braxtyn and Aydyn having to spend a night outdoors, where would they plug in their play stations??
This post was edited on 9/30/19 at 5:21 pm
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:21 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Bears are the worry I assume.
we must expect some casualties
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:22 pm to Chicken
With a proper sleeping bag the kids will be plenty warm in a tube tent. To cut down on weight I usually hike with a tube tent unless heavy rain is expected.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:23 pm to 777Tiger
The worst camping is when it's hot AF so you don't want to be in a tent, much less and sleeping bag, and mosquitoes form like rain clouds around any exposed flesh.
I hate sleeping in the heat though
This is my setup if it's hot outside...

I hate sleeping in the heat though
This is my setup if it's hot outside...

Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:25 pm to TheCaterpillar
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This is my setup if it's hot outside...
is that the ac condensation discharge at the bottom?
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:26 pm to Chicken
Each kid is carrying 4 liters of water. That sounds like barely enough water for one day if you include cooking. I'd say the "guide" is carrying one water pump per group to refill the bottles when necessary.
Tents offer no protection from bears. A tarp offers the same protections from rain as a tent. The leader will teach the kids how to properly setup camp and store the food/cooking area away from the sleeping area. I don't think I've hear of any "bear attacks". They don't want to deal with people and usually run off unless defending cubs or a juvenile male is trying to establish territory. "Mini-bears" raccoons will be a bigger issue.
Most of the backcountry areas don't have enough space for a large group of tents and the tents destroy the area causing massive erosion. Hammocks used in large numbers are bad too because in heavily trafficked areas they strip the bark off the trees and cause them to die.
You have to try to minimize the human impact in the heavily used areas.
I've been the adult on many trips like this and I have sent my kids on many trips like this. When the kids return they will stand taller, have more confidence and will have bragging rights over the other kids. Let them get out and rough it for a few days.
Tents offer no protection from bears. A tarp offers the same protections from rain as a tent. The leader will teach the kids how to properly setup camp and store the food/cooking area away from the sleeping area. I don't think I've hear of any "bear attacks". They don't want to deal with people and usually run off unless defending cubs or a juvenile male is trying to establish territory. "Mini-bears" raccoons will be a bigger issue.
Most of the backcountry areas don't have enough space for a large group of tents and the tents destroy the area causing massive erosion. Hammocks used in large numbers are bad too because in heavily trafficked areas they strip the bark off the trees and cause them to die.
You have to try to minimize the human impact in the heavily used areas.
I've been the adult on many trips like this and I have sent my kids on many trips like this. When the kids return they will stand taller, have more confidence and will have bragging rights over the other kids. Let them get out and rough it for a few days.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:29 pm to ZappBrannigan
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Was a rite of passage in scouts. Here is your visqueen, compass,map, flint, and rope. These are directions to your food cache.
See you in two days. Maybe.
That was some good stuff. Put hair on your chest. Taught you to be a man.
Now they let goddamn girls in the boy scouts
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:32 pm to Chicken
Be sure they all get brand new hiking boots and don’t get them dirty until the morning of the first hike.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:34 pm to Chicken
quote:Is that gonna be enough teachers to go around for the boys ? Sounds like somebody not gonna get laid.
there are two teachers with each group of eight kids....
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:34 pm to Chicken
2 liters should be enough. There are plenty of water sources and towns along the AT to replenish. The tour company is being over cautious with the water and not with the shelters.
Posted on 9/30/19 at 5:38 pm to Chicken
Which section will they be on?
Water is scarce on some sections of the AT.
Water is scarce on some sections of the AT.
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