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re: Why is it that Europeans brought diseases to the new world but didn't catch any?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 11:54 am to Nado Jenkins83
Posted on 3/29/17 at 11:54 am to Nado Jenkins83
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its still hilarious to me that NYC was sold for some glass beads and trinkets.
Louisiana Purchase was $15 million for 828,000 sq miles and one of the largest and most profitable rivers on Earth.
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Like $240 million in current money. An absolute fricking steal.
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 11:55 am
Posted on 3/29/17 at 11:55 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
They did. Just at a lower rate. The early settlements, including Jamestown were plagued by disease.
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Posted on 3/29/17 at 11:55 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Why is it that Europeans brought diseases to the new world but didn't catch any?
have you ever heard of the Plague, boy?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 11:56 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
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Ahh thanks didn't know that but ibwas mainly talking about deadly diseases
Syphillis was a horrific, terrifying disease when it first hit Europe. It had some of the same effects on the Europeans that the new diseases had on the Indians. Over time it mutated into a less virulent form, but it was a dread ailment.
One of the things it would do is rot your face

Posted on 3/29/17 at 11:57 am to Jim Rockford
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One of the things it would do is rot your face
And make you go insane...before eventually killing you.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 11:58 am to SlowFlowPro
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have you ever heard of the Plague, boy?
Always thought this came from China? Black rats on ships...
Posted on 3/29/17 at 11:59 am to Tigeralum2008
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The short answer is that Europeans simply had more robust immune systems. Several factors contributed to this: first, Europeans had been the caretakers of domestic animals for thousands of years, and had over time grown (somewhat) immune to the common diseases that accompanied the domestication of such food sources. Native Americans, on the other hand, were largely hunters and gatherers, and even in some domestication cases, it’s thought exposure was limited.
Second, Europeans lived in more densely populated areas than Native Americans. When so many humans live together in relatively close quarters (particularly with lack of good, or any, sewage systems and the like), disease spreads quickly with the general population continually getting exposed to numerous pathogens. The Europeans’ bodies had to adapt to dealing with many of those diseases, and for those who survived, their immune systems thrived as a result.
The third factor is travel and exchange. Groups of people and animals moved around a lot in Europe and had interactions particularly through war and trade, resulting in the spread of disease across continents—and, eventually, some level of immunity for the survivors.
LINK.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 11:59 am to TheCaterpillar
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Black rats on ships...
This post was edited on 3/29/17 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:01 pm to Tigeralum2008
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The short answer is that Europeans simply had more robust immune systems. Several factors contributed to this: first, Europeans had been the caretakers of domestic animals for thousands of years, and had over time grown (somewhat) immune to the common diseases that accompanied the domestication of such food sources. Native Americans, on the other hand, were largely hunters and gatherers, and even in some domestication cases, it’s thought exposure was limited.
Second, Europeans lived in more densely populated areas than Native Americans. When so many humans live together in relatively close quarters (particularly with lack of good, or any, sewage systems and the like), disease spreads quickly with the general population continually getting exposed to numerous pathogens. The Europeans’ bodies had to adapt to dealing with many of those diseases, and for those who survived, their immune systems thrived as a result.
And, with that or due to that, Europeans and other Old World groups had something like 15 or so antibody configurations(?) while the Native Americans had like 4. (I don't recall exactly what I'm talking about, but it's the immune systems ability to attack novel pathogens. Maybe types of sites that are found on a white blood cell? Any help would be appreciated.)
Also, some estimates people have out now suggest that the Native populations were much larger than we grew up being taught. It's quite possible that Europeans didn't encounter many aboriginal diseases in the New World because the original carriers were already dead/depleted by the time the explorers got to those areas.
The population numbers and some talk about the immune system can be found in the book "1491." Native Americans had much better hygiene than Europeans and were usually in better health and body condition too.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:02 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Didn't Roanoke Island get wiped out because of disease?
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:03 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Native Americans are more prone to alcoholism and drug addiction too, even today.


Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:04 pm to TheCaterpillar
This is likely to do thousands of years of alcohol consumption by Europeans.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:05 pm to joshnorris14
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This is likely to do thousands of years of alcohol consumption by Europeans.
Correct.
Whitey evolved to handle it better.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:05 pm to Jim Rockford
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Over time it mutated into a less virulent form
Evolution at work! Can't keep spreading your genes if you keep rapidly killing and deforming your hosts.
Posted on 3/29/17 at 12:07 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Them dirty Euros spread it..they don't catch it
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:58 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
quote:Syphilis was a deadly disease prior to the discovery of penicillin.
Ahh thanks didn't know that but ibwas mainly talking about deadly diseases
Posted on 3/30/17 at 12:58 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
pretty sure we caught some form of std's from them
while we gave them the cold and measles and such
while we gave them the cold and measles and such
Posted on 3/30/17 at 1:01 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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The population numbers and some talk about the immune system can be found in the book "1491."
But for real. People think the Europeans came over here looking at the Natives as savages, but the Natives were probably more disgusted by the terribly unhygienic and disease filled Europeans.
This post was edited on 3/30/17 at 1:04 pm
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