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re: Why is it so hard for most people to lose weight?

Posted on 7/23/18 at 11:01 am to
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 11:01 am to
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I understand his big on hormones and he's talking more about health than strictly fat loss, but I don't understand completely what he's saying. If I lay in bed all day and eat boneless skinless chicken breast I can absolutely be a fatass.




Why do you keep beating up that straw man? Where did I say anythig about chicken breast?
Posted by DozaJ03
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 11:03 am to
I agree 100%. I hear it all the time. Folks think the sugar filled smoothies are healthy and they aren’t at all. Many seemingly healthy foods out there really impede people from loosing weight during their diets. Essentially people need to give up the sugar. As it’s the yeast in your gut that craves all that sugar makes it becomes super hard to resist these cravings. A healthy gut is really the only path the sustainable weight loss.
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 11:24 am
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 11:08 am to
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Why do you keep beating up that straw man?


What?

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Where did I say anythig about chicken breast?



You didn't, I did. You said if you eat "the right things" you can't gain weight. I said that's bullshite because it is.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 11:11 am to
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You said if you eat "the right things" you can't gain weight. I said that's bull shite because it is.


Forget about weight and focus on fat. You can eat as much as you want of the right things while losing fat.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 11:17 am to
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Forget about weight and focus on fat. You can eat as much as you want of the right things while losing fat.



Sure, but if you eat the right things and lay in bed all day you'll still get fat if you eat too much of it.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 11:27 am to
You wouldn’t be able to eat much of the right things if you laid in bed all day. I don’t think you’d get fat. I also don’t think it’s possible to lay in bed all day when your hormones are correct. Your energy would be through the roof.

It doesn’t seem like you want to really think or learn.

Did you read the article? If not, go get 5 or 6 plates of chicken breast and give it a looksee.
Posted by LouisianaLady
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 11:30 am to
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You wouldn’t be able to eat much


You realize this is a caveat to what you're saying right?

You're trying to claim that someone could eat "as much as they want" of clean foods and not gain weight. But the real truth is that most people can't eat 20k calories of clean foods. So "as much as they want" isn't all that much for the average person.

Those are two entirely different points.

People choose to go the clean eating route because it allows them to have more food than if they were eating "bad" foods. So they aren't as hungry. That's fine and dandy, but it certainly isn't required for fat loss.

There are numerous ways to achieve a deficit:

WHAT - The types of food you're eating. Less calorie dense food means you're allowed more of it.

WHEN - Fasting or skipping meals means less times in the day you're eating which is some people's chosen method of achieving CICO.

HOW MUCH - Portion sizes. Eating what you want in portions that keep you at a deficit.

I have no problem with low carb, high carb, low fat, high fat, or whatever the hell else someone wants to do. But there's no denying that THEY ARE ALL METHODS OF WEIGHT LOSS BECAUSE THEY PUT YOU AT A CALORIE DEFICIT.
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 11:32 am
Posted by Goldrush25
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 11:34 am to
The science of losing weight is simple. You create a calorie deficit add in cardio and resistance exercise, so long as you don't have medical issues going on, you will lose weight.

But genetics has a lot to do with how easily you lose weight. I say that as someone that's naturally skinny and has had no issues taking off weight. I see others working their arses off that will never have a slim physique or be able to sustain it.

That's just the way things are, similar to how I'll never dunk a basketball or have a bodybuilder physique. We all have a genetic blueprint. You'd be lying to yourself if you think some aren't naturally predisposed to having a skinnier physique than others.
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 11:36 am
Posted by LouisianaLady
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 11:38 am to
I will say this. While losing weight is simple in concept, it is very difficult in execution.

I entirely understand why so many people struggle with it. I sit down every week and write out Sunday-Friday on a piece of paper and pre-plan exactly what I will have for lunch and dinner. I do this a week ahead of time. I log into MyFitnessPal as I plan, to make sure I'm under a certain calorie limit each day.

Then I create a grocery list and shop for all of this. I cook every single night.

This is something I love and more of a hobby than anything. It takes up a lot of my time. I entirely see why someone who doesn't love cooking, planning, making lists, etc. would never be able to sustain this. It is like a part time job.
Posted by Count Chocula
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 11:39 am to
Way too much trouble.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 11:48 am to
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So if you are eating more calories than you burn you will not gain fat is what you are saying?



I’m saying a lot and your boiling it way down and missing huge chunks.

1. Every calorie you put into your mouth is not absorbed by your body.

2. Every type of calorie is not absorbed at the same rate

What does this mean? You can eat more calories than you burn, but absorb less calories than you burn. For instance, consider 2 examples with no change in activity level: A person consumes 2500 calories of mostly simple carbs, absorbs 2200 of them while burning 1900 of them and runs a 300 cal surplus, which is stored as fat. The same person consumes 2500 calories of mostly healthy fats, moderate protein, and fiber with almost no simple carbs, absorbs 2100 of them and burns 2000. Still a surplus. The question is, what is the body going to do with the surplus? The healthy fat has raised T levels, no simple carbs keeps insulin low which allows normal HGH release. All other hormones are optimized. The person is going to add muscle and his body is adapting to use fat as a primary fuel source. He gained weight in both instances, but he looks and feels like shite and is likely now craving more terrible food in the first example. In the second example, he has energy to burn and, because of the energy, is going to be more active and spiral upward.

Because of how quickly the body metabolizes simple carbs and then has to look for more sugar, in the first example, that person may very well wake up in the night starving and eat again.
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 11:59 am to
There are many ways to do it and many are difficult, unsustainable and some are flat out dangerous.

I’m saying counting calories and portion control isn’t necessary. I’m saying eating to elevate/surpress your good/bad hormones is the optimal way to lose fat. Eat as much as you want.

But if your going to go through all the trouble of counting calories, you should at least understand the underlying biology first. Every calorie is hitting internal switches and turning things on and off.
Posted by Goldrush25
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 12:03 pm to
If you're cooking, it's very difficult. I don't cook, which makes my meal plan a little more expensive (use Freshly meal service).

But that's just knowing myself. I know if I had to cook on my schedule I wouldn't stick to it.
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 12:05 pm
Posted by Antonio Moss
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 12:15 pm to
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But there's no denying that THEY ARE ALL METHODS OF WEIGHT LOSS BECAUSE THEY PUT YOU AT A CALORIE DEFICIT.




Sure.

But that's like saying "all you have to do to beat the Patriots is score more points than they do."

It's not exactly instructive.

What you eat has much more effect on weight loss and overall health than how much you eat.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 1:05 pm to
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It's amazing the difference in satiation that different meals can provide; while all being similar in caloric intake, cost, and effort.

i know i've been off the wagon, but i know what i'm supposed to do and just stop for periods of time

ignoring carbs, proteins, etc...satiation is the key. it just so happens that refined carbs offer almost 0 satiation

if you just get people to stop snacking and eating after like 7-8, you'll see great work. that requires satiation
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 1:05 pm to
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You're trying to claim that someone could eat "as much as they want" of clean foods and not gain weight. But the real truth is that most people can't eat 20k calories of clean foods. So "as much as they want" isn't all that much for the average person.

i think that's the point (see my post above about satiation)

the apples v. apple juice example is a famous one here

*ETA: the hormone argument works a lot better in the reverse. you can eat a calorie deficient diet and have fat loss prevented by hormones. cortisol is a major hormone here, and stress causes cortisol to rise (so stress can prevent fat loss)
This post was edited on 7/23/18 at 1:08 pm
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 1:08 pm to
i haven't read this thread, just posted in it to let y'all know i'm heading to popeyes for lunch.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 1:08 pm to
i had a big arse bone-in ribeye and my green mix

i've typed almost every post in this thread during this morning with a raging keto headache
Posted by Count Chocula
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 1:10 pm to
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i'm heading to popeyes for lunch
Too bad its not an "all you can eat Popeyes buffet" like the one in laffy. You lose.
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 7/23/18 at 1:19 pm to
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raging keto headache

drink more water
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