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Posted on 2/17/24 at 8:37 pm to Mud_Bone
None of them are guilty. All of them would love to work the system, so they plot and plan and work. It gives them something to do - to accomplish and so they work at it. A criminal beating the system is something of a hero and much admired by those they know very well.
I promise you, most of them stay very busy with their work.
I don't want to cheat some of them. There are some who are guilty and freely admit they are. They just don't want to die, so they convince themselves society does not have the right to hold them forever or to kill them.
I promise you, most of them stay very busy with their work.
I don't want to cheat some of them. There are some who are guilty and freely admit they are. They just don't want to die, so they convince themselves society does not have the right to hold them forever or to kill them.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 8:38 pm to faraway
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prison is bad but hell is a lot worse
How do you know?
Posted on 2/17/24 at 8:38 pm to Mud_Bone
Sometimes they do
Posted on 2/17/24 at 8:41 pm to fr33manator
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I know someone who was doing life without parole.
Small town, lady got murdered, he had been in the area. This was back before DNA and all that. Cops sweated a confession out of him. He was railroaded, imo.
The guy whose wife was killed showed up to the trial with his girlfriend. Was kin to the DA.
He had just been married and had an unborn daughter on the way. She grew up with her daddy in Angola. Through 15 minute phone calls and visitation days he raised her. Did a better job than a lot of free men.
Good behavior, trustee for a long time, respected and trusted. Basically allowed to go do whatever work they needed without being hassled, essentially free in Angola. A real artisan.
After almost 40 years he received a unanimous pardon. Finally able to leave that hellhole and try to get back some of the life it cost him.
He had a twin brother who was wheelchair bound. No legs. Hadn't seen him since he'd gone in. He died a not long before his brother finally was released.
So I can understand why people inside hold out hope. You've got to keep living and trying.
Did it end up being the husband? And was he convicted?
Edit: Or is this a movie or tv show reference that I am not getting?
This post was edited on 2/17/24 at 8:44 pm
Posted on 2/17/24 at 8:46 pm to Mud_Bone
Because they are scared of death?
Not to mention, humans do adapt and for those lifers prison is just an environment they had to adapt to. There are probably people in prison, who have been there long enough that if they were put back into the world they wouldn't know what to do.
I know its a comedy, but remember the movie life? When Martin Lawrence's character went drive the warden to town to pick up the new school superintendent? He had a small window where he could have taken off, but then he looked around and saw a whole different world than what he was used to?
Can you imagine someone who has been locked up since the 80s or 90s? While they likely have an idea of the changes of the world, it probably doesn't register as to how much things have changed until you get out in it.
Let's say someone went to jail at 21 in 1985, 40 years later they are 61. The world they were in before going to jail and the world they would be going into has probably evolved faster than 40 years within any other time in history. They might want to kill themselves when they get out.
Not to mention, humans do adapt and for those lifers prison is just an environment they had to adapt to. There are probably people in prison, who have been there long enough that if they were put back into the world they wouldn't know what to do.
I know its a comedy, but remember the movie life? When Martin Lawrence's character went drive the warden to town to pick up the new school superintendent? He had a small window where he could have taken off, but then he looked around and saw a whole different world than what he was used to?
Can you imagine someone who has been locked up since the 80s or 90s? While they likely have an idea of the changes of the world, it probably doesn't register as to how much things have changed until you get out in it.
Let's say someone went to jail at 21 in 1985, 40 years later they are 61. The world they were in before going to jail and the world they would be going into has probably evolved faster than 40 years within any other time in history. They might want to kill themselves when they get out.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 8:47 pm to dallastigers
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Did it end up being the husband? And was he convicted?
He committed suicide some years later, if memory serves.
The whole thing reminded me a bit of "the night the lights went out in Georgia".
Don't trust your son with no backwoods southern lawyer.
quote:
Edit: Or is this a movie or tv show reference that I am not getting?
No, this is as real as it gets.
This post was edited on 2/17/24 at 8:49 pm
Posted on 2/17/24 at 8:53 pm to fr33manator
quote:did he or she do it?
someone who was doing life without parole. Small town, lady got murdered, he had been in the area. This was back before DNA and all that. Cops sweated a confession out of him. He was railroaded, imo.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 8:53 pm to fr33manator
Of all the possible reasons to hold out, this is the one. It doesn't surprise me that you're the one to mention it. Life is precious, and for there is always hope for those who are falsely accused and wrongfully imprisoned.
Now that I think about it, there was this story in the Old Testament about some kid named Joseph who got thrown into bad situations over and over again. HIs brothers were going to kill him, then they sold him into slavery, then just about the time things start looking good for him his boss's wife wants to sleep with him. He refuses, she falsely accuses him of attempting to rape her. He goes to prison for life... And he winds up second only to the ruler of the country after that.
Thanks for that response fr33manator. I think that was the correct answer.
Now that I think about it, there was this story in the Old Testament about some kid named Joseph who got thrown into bad situations over and over again. HIs brothers were going to kill him, then they sold him into slavery, then just about the time things start looking good for him his boss's wife wants to sleep with him. He refuses, she falsely accuses him of attempting to rape her. He goes to prison for life... And he winds up second only to the ruler of the country after that.
Thanks for that response fr33manator. I think that was the correct answer.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 8:53 pm to Mud_Bone
I think even in prison people can find something to enjoy that makes life worth living, even if there is no hope of getting out. Books you can read, ministering to other prisoners.
Do you think everyone in a wheelchair should kill themselves because they can’t walk?
Should Steve Gleason end it all?
Your body can be in a prison. But if your mind is still free, then you can keep living
Do you think everyone in a wheelchair should kill themselves because they can’t walk?
Should Steve Gleason end it all?
Your body can be in a prison. But if your mind is still free, then you can keep living
Posted on 2/17/24 at 8:54 pm to saintsfan1977
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prison is bad but hell is a lot worse How do you know?
Probably works offshore.
Sorry. I gotta go to work tomorrow so I’m going through some shite right now.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 9:03 pm to HamSandwich
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Suicide is illegal
Not true. Attempted suicide is illegal. Actual suicide is not.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 9:03 pm to Mud_Bone
Cause they don’t wanna die?
Posted on 2/17/24 at 9:12 pm to Nephropidae
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did he or she do it?
I asked myself the same question when I met him. Looked hard in his eyes, weighing the man. What looked back at me was a hard man, a grey man. Was he perfect? Hardly. He'd lived a hard life doing hard time in hell, and making the best out of it.
They locked him away for the crime, with no chance of freedom. If he had done it, he'd been paying for it for damn near his whole life. Stacking the coins of his time against the weight of the crime. Missing all those moments and memories.
I wrote a letter on his behalf to the parole board. I didn't mention guilt or innocence, because as he said, and I'm paraphrasing, "they don't care whether or not I did it, I'm just a number to them."
But when I look in his eyes, I don't see a killer. I see a daddy who did his best in the worst possible circumstances.
I have respect for that man. It really changed my view on the Justice system. I think it's messed up that there are 100% bonafide murderers who are in and out, to do it again.
And then there are people like him, who spent 39 years on the flimsiest of "evidence" and a coerced confession from a scared and confused 19 year old.
But that's just me
Posted on 2/17/24 at 9:15 pm to Swamp Angel
Thanks Swamp. 
And YGM
And YGM
Posted on 2/17/24 at 9:18 pm to HamSandwich
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Suicide is illegal
That's a misconception. Nobody has ever been criminally charged with attempting suicide. The worst that happens is that the police take someone against their will for a psych eval and/or emergency treatment, not to jail.
This post was edited on 2/17/24 at 9:27 pm
Posted on 2/17/24 at 9:21 pm to Mud_Bone
Why does a life in jail sentence even exist? If one is sentenced to life in jail at the tax payers’ expense, it should be an immediate execution, IMO.
Appeals are a waste of time and money.
Appeals are a waste of time and money.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 9:29 pm to 4LSU2
Right. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev should have been shot a long time ago.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 9:34 pm to Mud_Bone
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Why don't people sentenced to LIFE in prison kill themselves?
A lot of the decent people do kill themselves. However, most people that commit murder1 are predators and bullies by their nature…the type of folks who don’t do to bad in prison.
Posted on 2/17/24 at 9:39 pm to Mud_Bone
They didn't get there in the first place by being good at making decisions about the future.
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