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re: Why does it seem like Lawyers are more valued than Engineers or Scientists
Posted on 8/31/15 at 8:02 am to bunky
Posted on 8/31/15 at 8:02 am to bunky
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Laughing all the way to the bank while my friends who went to law school can't find jobs.
Your friends who went to law school must have gone to garbage schools and be complete morons. My SO graduated pretty far back in his class and was still hired as an ADA within a few months of passing the BAR.
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Posted on 8/31/15 at 8:10 am to volod
Because in America there is a lot of money and property that must be legally defended against legal suits that get filed. Main reason. More stuff leads to more lawyers.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 8:15 am to stewie
In any occupation you have successful people, people who are avg, and unsuccessful people.
Sucessful people care about learning from their mistakes, always looking for a better way to do things, and becoming the best in their field. Most successful people make a very nice living due to people are willing to pay a premium for quality.
People who are less successful worry about everything, point fingers, and want people to feel sorry for them due to they have not put in the work to be successful.
Which one sounds like you?
Sucessful people care about learning from their mistakes, always looking for a better way to do things, and becoming the best in their field. Most successful people make a very nice living due to people are willing to pay a premium for quality.
People who are less successful worry about everything, point fingers, and want people to feel sorry for them due to they have not put in the work to be successful.
Which one sounds like you?
Posted on 8/31/15 at 8:18 am to PepaSpray
In smaller cities and towns, and in rural areas, lawyers are generally more esteemed and respected. Lawyers were for many years the leaders in their communities, involved in civic affairs, churches, and often politics. Even in a place like Shreveport, where I grew up, law was respected as a learned profession. In New Orleans, where I have practiced for 20+ years, lawyers are a dime a dozen.... they are like cockroaches.... and they do little to earn the respect of society. In 2015, practicing law is all about taking the money and running. Public service is a quaint relic of a different time.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 8:42 am to Slippy
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Even in a place like Shreveport, where I grew up, law was respected as a learned profession. In New Orleans, where I have practiced for 20+ years, lawyers are a dime a dozen.... they are like cockroaches.... and they do little to earn the respect of society. In 2015, practicing law is all about taking the money and running. Public service is a quaint relic of a different time.
The legal profession certainly was viewed with more integrity 30+ years ago. I don't think the smaller town/big town thing holds that much weight. Sure, bigger cities have many more attorneys. You can say that about any profession though. I think it deals with more of the ostentatious advertisements (which these guys are generally found in the more populated areas). 30 years ago, advertisements didn't look like this:
But you have to remember...these guys are not the "norm" in the legal community. However, they do get the most press considering how ridiculous they are.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 8:45 am to Breauxsif
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Public defenders do in fact provide invaluable service to the deadbeats of society. Moreover, you're absolutely correct in your response.
Ehh...I get what you are saying, but I still think everyone should be afforded the right of counsel. I have lots of respect for public defenders. They have to take the case no matter how much they disdain the accused and the crime. They are in a tough spot, but they do provide an invaluable service.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 8:46 am to volod
Lawyers are a dime a dozen. Next question.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 8:49 am to OWLFAN86
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billable hours
Most engineers are consultants and they bill just as much as a lawyer.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 8:54 am to TheAlmightySmash
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Most engineers are consultants and they bill just as much as a lawyer.
Do engineers have contingency fees?
Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:04 am to volod
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Unless their is and underline concept I am missing, engineers and quantitative scientist are hard workers.
Part of me thinks you're doing this on purpose...
If not,
This post was edited on 8/31/15 at 9:16 am
Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:05 am to Forkbeard3777
not sure. I know some of our more senior consultants act as expert witnesses for the big O&G companies. I'm sure they get some sort of compensation for a favorable outcome in court.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:05 am to volod
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"In every big transaction, ... there is a magic moment during which a man has surrendered a treasure, and during which the man who is due to receive it has not yet done so. An alert lawyer will make that moment his own, possessing the treasure for a magic microsecond, taking a little of it, passing it on. If the man who is to receive the treasure is unused to wealth, has an inferiority complex and shapeless feelings of guilt, as most people do, the lawyer can often take as much as half the bundle, and still receive the recipient's blubbering thanks."
Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:08 am to volod
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anime reference
maybe you should have been an engineer
Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:13 am to Forkbeard3777
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quote:Most engineers are consultants and they bill just as much as a lawyer. Do engineers have contingency fees?
you don't bill time if you're working on a contingency fee, nitwit.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:14 am to volod
If you're getting your Engineering degree from Southern, or Law for that matter, you should prepare to experience a good bit of poor value on the return in the coming years.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:16 am to volod
Depends on where said degrees are from. Engineering degree from anywhere in Louisiana other than LSU or Tech carries no status in most workplaces. Not saying it's right or wrong but the common perception.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:17 am to volod
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Unless their is and underline concept
I really hope your schtick is just a Southern troll send up, because this is just egregious.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:24 am to double d
Engineering is one of those fields that's not necessarily controlled like medicine or law in the sense that salaries are not supply and demand based on how many we generate in the US. Foreigners can move here and be paid little for something it would take a very skilled American to do. Short answer, other people in the world can do it...or we allow them to do it, unlike medicine or other licensed professions.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:41 am to TheAlmightySmash
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I'm sure they get some sort of compensation for a favorable outcome in court.
I'm sure they may get paid some hefty hourly fee for the time they put in, but any compensation agreement based on trial outcome would be used to impeach that witness's credibility with the quickness.
Posted on 8/31/15 at 9:47 am to ALT F4
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you don't bill time if you're working on a contingency fee, nitwit.
As an attorney, you are still supposed to account for your time...even on contingency fee.
What are customary hourly rates for an engineering firm. I'd think attorneys have higher ceilings than engineers on what they can charge an hour but don't have any evidence to support that theory.
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