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re: Why do people think electric cars are somehow better for the environment?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:20 pm to madmaxvol
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:20 pm to madmaxvol
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Level 1 car charger consumption is about the same as a single space heater. Level 2 is about like adding another water heater and window AC unit. Again...most will be charging at night when most other appliances are not in use. It isn't insignificant...but it also isn't like running a 220V range on high during the middle of the day, either.
Only problem with this is the size of current electric cars. Namely that they’re all barley big enough to be considered mid-sized. If we’re going to go all electric, then we’re going to have to produce a shite ton of bigger vehicles. As of 2012 there were 133 million trucks of all sizes in the US. I dare say that to replace those with electric trucks, the charging requirements would dwarf what’s required to charge a glorified golf cart.
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Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:22 pm to GoIrish02
quote:is that a made up number?
They're only cheaper if you ignore the ~$10,000 cost premium at acquisition
quote:True for EV and non-EV cars.
Let's not forget acquisition cost is the first cost of ownership
quote:This is false, they are certainly not "significantly" higher, especially when compared to the cost of getting gas in your car weekly, and you can also charge during non-peak hours and save a decent bit this way. if you're also not planning to use it much, maybe just a daily commute, you can charge as needed, thus saving even more.
nor ignore the real cost of charging it in your garage (retrofit to accommodate charging plus significantly higher electric bills)
quote:Cheaper than what? You're throwing out what seems like a lot of made up numbers, I'd love to see you show your work on these figures.
At less than $2 a gallon, gas powered is cheaper and remains cheaper
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:29 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:
Only problem with this is the size of current electric cars. Namely that they’re all barley big enough to be considered mid-sized. If we’re going to go all electric, then we’re going to have to produce a shite ton of bigger vehicles. As of 2012 there were 133 million trucks of all sizes in the US. I dare say that to replace those with electric trucks, the charging requirements would dwarf what’s required to charge a glorified golf cart.
How about a high-powered hybrid.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:36 pm to Darth_Vader
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I just looked it up and according to howstuffworks.com, the Lithium-ion battery in the Tesla Roadster is projected to have a lifespan of 5 years or 100,000 miles. At that time the battery will need to be replaced at a cost of $10,000.
I just looked it up...Tesla batteries are currently showing 90% storage retention after 160,000 miles, and could last for 500,000.
LINK
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:41 pm to Darth_Vader
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This post was edited on 1/21/20 at 9:17 am
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:42 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Did you think to check the date on the sources from your link?
I just looked it up and according to howstuffworks.com, the Lithium-ion battery in the Tesla Roadster is projected to have a lifespan of 5 years or 100,000 miles. At that time the battery will need to be replaced at a cost of $10,000.
Hint, it's 2001-2008 sources.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:43 pm to madmaxvol
quote:The best part about your link in reply to Darth's post is the very 1st line of your link:
I just looked it up...Tesla batteries are currently showing 90% storage retention after 160,000 miles, and could last for 500,000.
quote:Exactly what Darth said, you couldn't have possibly found a better link to reply to him.
Way back at the dawn of the electric car era — about 10 years ago now — the knock on electric cars was that their batteries wouldn’t last 100,000 miles
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:47 pm to cahoots
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FYI that article is for a 2009 Tesla Roadster. There are already plenty of Model S cars with greater than 100,000 miles on the original batteries. And even at that point, the batteries still work, just not as well. With the pace of technology, I imagine 200,000 miles is very possible. And just like that, you're already on par with most gasoline engines
Wait. So you’re telling me that you think it’s a good deal to buy a car that you know at 200,000 miles you’re going to have to either park it or fork out $10,000?!?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:47 pm to Darth_Vader
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I dare say that to replace those with electric trucks, the charging requirements would dwarf what’s required to charge a glorified golf cart.
Have you actually done any calculations or found any sources that support DWARF. The average pickup driving around town doesn't have energy requirements that DWARF cars.
If you make up your mind then look for anecdotal "facts" to support it you can almost always do it.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:49 pm to Obtuse1
quote:
Have you actually done any calculations or found any sources that support DWARF. The average pickup driving around town doesn't have energy requirements that DWARF cars.
If you make up your mind then look for anecdotal "facts" to support it you can almost always do it.
I’m talking not just pickup trucks, but also big trucks like everything from dump trucks to long haul 18 wheelers.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:49 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:
Wait. So you’re telling me that you think it’s a good deal to buy a car that you know at 200,000 miles you’re going to have to either park it or fork out $10,000?!?
Did you read further? Battery output is 90% at 160k and expected to drop to around 80% at 500k. Don't get hooked on old sources.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:50 pm to Obtuse1
I think my dad’s Tesla runs him $6-7$ to completely charge the battery at home. When he travels, it’s free charging everywhere he’s been.
I want to say it’s a 300 mile range per charge unless you like to floor it and feel the G forces.
I want to say it’s a 300 mile range per charge unless you like to floor it and feel the G forces.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:50 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:
I’m talking not just pickup trucks, but also big trucks like everything from dump trucks to long haul 18 wheelers.
Well then make your point, the numbers should be easy enough to calculate.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:51 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:So you're just not going to comment at all on the fact that you linked an article with info that was 10-18 years old and tried to pass it off as modern day fact, huh?
Wait. So you’re telling me that you think it’s a good deal to buy a car that you know at 200,000 miles you’re going to have to either park it or fork out $10,000?!?
But to answer your question since I'm sure you'll dodge the above, yes I'd consider it a good deal since I know I'd never get anywhere near 200k miles, so that would be irrelevant to me.
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:52 pm to Obtuse1
quote:He's still going off of 15 year old info.
Did you read further? Battery output is 90% at 160k and expected to drop to around 80% at 500k. Don't get hooked on old sources.
This post was edited on 1/14/19 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:56 pm to shel311
And another question, why are we gonna do with all these batteries when they’ve reached the end of their life?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:57 pm to Darth_Vader
quote:Should we see what the plan was 15 years ago to dispose of them and go with that as fact in 2019?
And another question, why are we gonna do with all these batteries when they’ve reached the end of their life?
Posted on 1/14/19 at 1:58 pm to shel311
And what do you think goes into making all these batteries? Where do they come from?
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