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re: Why did our ancestors put the freezer on top of the refrigerator?

Posted on 4/10/22 at 6:54 pm to
Posted by Tempratt
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Posted on 4/10/22 at 6:54 pm to
For that matter why did anyone bother to develop upright deep freezers? Chest models are better.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 4/10/22 at 6:58 pm to
My parents' new 1960 refrigerator had the freezer on the bottom
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
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Posted on 4/10/22 at 7:05 pm to
top freezers are way more reliable, last loner, have almost no ice maker issues.

The bottom freezer units with icemakers in the fridge are almost universally disasters. If you own a LG get some KY jelly ready.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
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Posted on 4/10/22 at 7:21 pm to
The better question is, why do we refrigerate our ancestors in the freezer?
Posted by dbeck
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Posted on 4/10/22 at 7:26 pm to
My freezer is in the back of the refrigerator.
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
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Posted on 4/10/22 at 7:33 pm to
My Great Grandfather (Auburn Engineering Grad) Owned the only Ice house in New Orleans in 1900. He explained that Ice blocks went into the top chamber to keep the bottom cool. His company delivered blocks of ice to customers by wagon. His two sons ....Went to Auburn and emerged with Engineering Degrees. One was a professor of Power Engineering and the other Coached Football for a while Auburn 1957 National Champs, then operated his own company.
Posted by lostinbr
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Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:21 pm to
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Heat rises, so one would assume the natural order is to freeze the bottom and as the temp surpasses 32 it would help maintain refrigeration above, so there has to be some obvious reason why freezers were put on top, counterintuitive to the obvious.

It’s not really counterintuitive. You just have the “intuitive” answer backwards.

Warm air rises and cold air falls. Which means you want the cold air to enter the refrigerator (or freezer) compartment at the top. That way, the natural convection helps to maintain uniform temperature throughout the compartment. If cold air enters at the bottom, then the bottom of the compartment ends up being much colder than the top.

Even with the naturally rising warm air & falling cold air, in practice the areas closest to the evaporator coils (at the top) still stay the coldest. Consequently, old school refrigerators had a single compressor and a single evaporator, located in the freezer compartment. The thermostat would be located in the refrigerator, and cold air would migrate down from the freezer. The freezer naturally stayed colder, but it wasn’t really controlled. The freezer had to be mounted at the top in order to stay cold enough.

Then designs started changing to two thermostats but still one evaporator. The freezer thermostat would control the compressor/evaporator, and the refrigerator thermostat would control air flow from the freezer compartment to the refrigerator. This allowed the freezer temperature to be controlled, but still required a top-mount freezer.

Newer units have multiple evaporators so that the refrigerator and freezer can be completely isolated from each other. In some cases there is one compressor that switches between the two evaporators depending on what needs to be cooled. In other cases there are separate dedicated compressors for the refrigerator and freezer. Either of these configurations basically eliminate the need to top-mount the freezer, though top-mounted freezers are still generally more energy efficient.
This post was edited on 4/10/22 at 8:24 pm
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:30 pm to
And they lasted 50 years with no maintenance. Absolute morons
Posted by kengel2
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Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:31 pm to
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Anyone know the actual reason?


Because heat rises. Keep the top frozen and us the falling cool air to "cool" but not freeze the bottom.

That's my nonscientific guess.
This post was edited on 4/10/22 at 8:32 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:32 pm to
Freezer on the bottom crew checking in
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:34 pm to
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Cold air falls




Science
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:36 pm to
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The bottom freezer units with icemakers in the fridge are almost universally disasters.


Lol. I’ll let some subzero owners that I know, know this. Their fridge is going on 22 years now. I’m sure it’s going to break down any day now.
Posted by fallguy_1978
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Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:40 pm to
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The bottom freezer units with icemakers in the fridge are almost universally disasters. If you own a LG get some KY jelly ready.

I have a LG side by side with the kind of ice maker that twists pretty much an old school ice tray. It's the shittiest fridge I've ever owned. I started buying bags of ice at those machines 2 years ago. I think I'll toss it to the curb this summer. It's 7 years old but I wouldn't pay $5 to repair it
This post was edited on 4/10/22 at 8:41 pm
Posted by absolute692
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 4/10/22 at 8:40 pm to
I have one of these old school ice boxes. I assume the coldest compartment is the top left as it has a lot of insulation in that door.

We used it as kids to store books and toys.



Maybe I’ll have a garage sale so antiquetiger can buy it and post it here.
This post was edited on 4/10/22 at 8:48 pm
Posted by LSUA 75
Colfax,La.
Member since Jan 2019
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Posted on 4/10/22 at 10:44 pm to
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“A freezer therefore works by removing heat”

I worked in ICU long time,we had cooling blankets when we needed to cool patients down.I would put a couple of blankets and a sheet over the patient for insulation.Invariably another nurse and even a Dr. once gave me crap for putting blankets over the patient.Their argument was I was holding the patients body heat in making it harder to cool them down.I would have to explain how refrigerators worked.The Dr.was really a hard sell,he didn’t believe me at all.Another nurse’s husband was an HVAC contractor,I called her over to explain refrigeration to him.He didn’t say anymore but I could tell he was still skeptical.
Posted by HerkFlyer
Auburn, AL
Member since Jan 2018
3136 posts
Posted on 4/10/22 at 11:24 pm to
In my experience as someone that owns a bottom freezer, it was probably to keep the fricking toddlers out of the frozen stuff. Little bastards treat it like a buffet of popsicles and ice cream.
This post was edited on 4/10/22 at 11:25 pm
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
70929 posts
Posted on 4/10/22 at 11:53 pm to
Yeah. That's not a standard fridge and you know it. My subzero was made in 1997.
Also those don't have icemakers in the fresh food section.

I'm talking about normal fridges. Not ultra premium
Posted by Nawlens Gator
louisiana
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Posted on 4/11/22 at 12:23 am to

Our 45 year old GE Refrig has the freezer on top and still works just fine.

Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
70929 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 8:07 am to
Any fridge made before 2003 will be all analog. Many made before 2008 are. Any made before 1996 use the superior R12 refrigerant.
If you have a 80s fridge still running. I would fix anything on it even the compressor. You'll never see quality like that again.

Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
70929 posts
Posted on 4/11/22 at 8:19 am to
Great explanation.

It bugs me so bad. That some brands you have to solder and vac the system to replace the refrigerant valve. Others have a magnetic external switch you change.
I actually hate 2 evaporator units. Just because harder to work on. Better for customer. Two compressor units are the best but not that common. Sub zero used to be the only one. Most other high end units like Monogram, viking and Thermador use just one compressor.
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