re: Why did France and Britian declare war on Germany and not the Soviet Union in WW2

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They [the Soviets] were doing the same things the Nazis were doing. Shoot, they were doing Nazi type things, before the Nazis even really got started with the Holocaust.

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Yes, they were. Murdering all opposition while starving tens of MILLIONS in Soviet territories (specially, ironically, in the Ukraine.)

But...but...why mention Stalin's allies like the New York Times, FDR's State Dept, certain Global Banking families, and the entrenched established pro-Commie USA? mentioning all this in passing while comparing their barbarity to Fascists would be impolite and historically un-PC.

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Maybe, but the real reason the USSR lost so many fighting Germany is that their generals and commanders were idiots and psychopaths, who didn't give a flying frick about the number of soldiers on their side who were killed.

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Is it possible Stalin murdering most of his great, logical non-psychotic leadership during the 1920-1930s had anything to do with the insane military policy?

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But...but...why mention Stalin's allies like the New York Times, FDR's State Dept, certain Global Banking families, and the entrenched established pro-Commie USA? mentioning all this in passing while comparing their barbarity to Fascists would be impolite and historically un-PC.

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Mostly true, but they were killing assloads of Germans, which at the time absolutely had to be done. Most of the Soviet atrocities were within the borders of the Soviet Union. Germany was going genocide on all of Europe.

Simple answer is they saw, correctly, that Germany was the greater immediate threat and figured the Soviets would be a good distraction for Hitler if nothing else.

I won’t debate whether we would have won or lost the war without the Eastern Front, but it is undeniable that the second front made things much easier for us.

That said, from a strictly military perspective, the Allies could have pretty easily marched to Moscow after taking Germany. Russia was depleted and we were at our absolute industrial peak. We were cranking out planes, tanks, ships, etc so fast that the Soviets couldn’t have destroyed them fast enough. Plus add the nuke leverage.
But the reality was that it would have been politically impossible to extend the war another year or two. The people wouldn’t have gone for it. And then say you take Moscow. Then what?

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Is it possible Stalin murdering most of his great, logical non-psychotic leadership during the 1920-1930s had anything to do with the insane military policy?

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Well, sure. But what does that have to do with the price of beans? Stalin was brutalizing and murdering his own people, in the wake of The Great War. Any country in the world could have done the same, and nobody would have said boo about it, because nobody in the world wanted to crank up another world war. Then Nazi Germany rearms in defiance and violation of the Versailles treaty, and proceeds to start invading and killing their neighbors and genociding jews and any other people they considered sub-human.

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It was actually Stalin/Soviets who pushed the issue of a war on two fronts.

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Yeah. (but only non-coincidentally when the Soviets suddenly found themselves betrayed & under siege by the German "ally".)

Churchill Inc were right to make Stalin wait until the Brits were good & ready.

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But what does that have to do with the price of beans? Stalin was brutalizing and murdering his own people, in the wake of The Great War.

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Well, your premise and reason the USSR lost so many fighting Germany was based on "generals and commanders were idiots and psychopaths, who didn't give a flying frick..."

I'm suggesting those leaders murdered by Stalin BEFORE the war vs Germany, replaced by incompetents and psychopaths could well have prevented much unnecessary blood shed of millions (while also helping prevent deep incursion into the outskirts of Moscow and Stalingrad.)

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Then Nazi Germany rearms in defiance and violation of the Versailles treaty, and proceeds to start invading and killing their neighbors and genociding jews and any other people they considered sub-human.

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Though I concur, it's a different context.

Last tangent regarding the Treaty of Versailles -- NOT defending Hitler or the German people, but its terms were patently unfair and absurd to begin with. It was designed to corner a rat into eventual action.

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France surrendered so fricking fast, they didn't have time to kill many of them.

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This guy: "TWO WEEK?!? What took us so dayum long??")




Strategy worked out for them then?

And anyway -- somebody had to cook for the occupiers and man all those Parisian cafes and caberets.

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Well, your premise and reason the USSR lost so many fighting Germany was based on "generals and commanders were idiots and psychopaths, who didn't give a flying frick..."

I'm suggesting those leaders murdered by Stalin BEFORE the war vs Germany, replaced by incompetents and psychopaths could well have prevented much unnecessary blood shed of millions (while also helping prevent deep incursion into the outskirts of Moscow and Stalingrad.)

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The inference was that the Soviets had done such a great thing, sacrificing so many to defeat the Germans. I was saying that the reason they sacrificed so many is that their leadership sucked. We agree with each other, but you seem to want to disagree or debate the point.

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Last tangent regarding the Treaty of Versailles -- NOT defending Hitler or the German people, but its terms were patently unfair and absurd to begin with. It was designed to corner a rat into eventual action.

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I guess we should start another thread for that. You see that thrown around a lot, with very few specifics. I'd like for someone to explain to me what was so egregious about Versailles, considering the 9 million or so military and civilian deaths caused by Germany in WW1. They had the option to keep on fighting and be annihilated, and probably lose their country altogether, or sign the treaty and save their country. So whatever the terms were, they were a favor to Germany, but people want to act like WW2 was almost justified because Germany was done so wrong by Versailles.