re: Why are some of you rooting for cities to burn?

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By your logic anyone alive who's voted for the winning candidate in a presidential election has blood on their hands of some sort.

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Yes.

Why should people be allowed to distance themselves from the negative aspects of the leaders they supported?

I can’t accept that stance.

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Doubt the 12 year old actually supports rapists though. On the other hand, there is a pretty good chance people owning businesses around these parts of town do support BLM

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Amid the recent rioting in Minnesota after the killing of Daunte Wright, Foot Locker stores in the city have again been looted by Black Lives Matter rioters. The looting comes despite the company having donated $200 million to Black Lives Matter causes throughout the last year.

When you build a system based on abolishing critical thinking and The Rule of Law and you replace it with a system that rewards Collective Race Guilt, violence and terror, don't be surprised when the monster you have created comes knocking on your door.

Minnesota (and every other Progressive enclave) created this. Let them experience the fruits of their labor. This is the bed they made. The sooner they ponder the folly of their catastrophic choices, the sooner they come to their senses. Although no student of history will hold their breath. Leftist ideological possession ALWAYS ends in murder. It's just a matter of how much.

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Again...this is simply trying to force everyone into little boxes and I absolutely despise this type of thought

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And I don’t believe people should be allowed to distance themselves from negative outcomes of their vote.

If the outcome of your vote isn’t palatable either don’t vote or choose to support someone else next time.

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you deserve everything negative that's coming because you live in this liberal country -- despite voting conservative

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Yes, that is exactly what I said. But you can be doing things to change the culture. Culture is a war that is always raging.

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And I don’t believe people should be allowed to distance themselves from negative outcomes of their vote.

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this definitely won't ever come back to bite you

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If the outcome of your vote isn’t palatable either don’t vote

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I mean...you are talking to a person that tried to start a "opt out" campaign this election cycle because I'm so tired of all the shitty candidates

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or choose to support someone else next time.

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I often have very little control over primaries

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Everyone is asking for it unless they are under 18.

What?

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You can't vote under 18, so you aren't reaping what you sowed.

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And if they did vote and not for democrats, then what?

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If are over 18 you get what you asked for as far as democracy is concerned. That is how democracy works, you literally get what you asked for when you are a part of a democratic country. If you don't like the results of the vote you will have to do other things to change voters minds, like changing culture, educating people, become a politician yourself, etc.

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to say that, if I vote for someone that I agree with on 75% of issues, but disagree with 25% of the time, that I have to accept that 25% as my "beliefs" now, is absurd logic

I'm allowed to have my own beliefs

and so is Scruffy

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I disagree with Scruffy's use of beliefs here, but you are responsible for those 25% of decisions, even if they aren't your beliefs.

You empowered the mechanisms to make them happen. your "responsibility" might be smaller than someone else's, but you would be at fault for those decisions, those mistakes, and those successes.

You don't really care about gun control right? It would be in your 25%?

On this point, let's say Joe Biden follows through on gun control and it leads to chaos. You would be responsible for putting Joe Biden in power and for making that decision. You wouldn't want to take credit for it, but it's true. Sure, it's in your 25%, but it isn't why you voted for Biden, even though he, and the democrats, made it clear it's a target.

On the flip side, let's say Joe Biden implemented gun control, and it's an immediate success. Murders drop by 90%. unity. peace. Etc. You don't think your belief would be "Man, i voted for the right guy," even though gun control was in the 25% of issues that you disagree with? No, any normal person who voted for Biden would believe, correctly, that they played a part in solving gun control.

That's what Scruffy means. But, most people want to shuck responsibility for their actions, including their votes. And any candidate you vote for, you are responsible for the results of their position in some way.

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this definitely won't ever come back to bite you

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It absolutely will.

I haven’t had a presidential candidate win yet. I doubt I’ll vote in national elections again though.

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Yep.

That is my position.

Maybe I just wasn’t clear enough.

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Not sure how you said it in your first post, and I may have just misinterpreted it or read into it too much, but you definitely swayed me on this. That and you saying for this reason you don't vote in national elections any more, so that shows you remain consistent in your thought IMO.

I don't have to agree with whatever it is, like gun control, but if I vote for a pro-gun control candidate and gun control measures come about, then yes, that's partly on me, and I can't exactly complain about it.

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That's what Scruffy means. But, most people want to shuck responsibility for their actions, including their votes. And any candidate you vote for, you are responsible for the results of their position in some way.

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But specifically, in the context of this thread, would you argue that a person who voted for the least liberal of two liberal candidates, bears responsibility for his own business being burned? And can he shirk this responsibility if he votes for the losing candidate or just doesn't vote at all (as Scruffy argues)? That's what we're really talking about.