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re: Who is atop your Mt. Rushmore of world leaders in history?

Posted on 11/8/24 at 4:13 pm to
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
68325 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 4:13 pm to
quote:

Taking the south out of it entirely


So taking out the catalyst for everything he did? Seems kind of intellectually dishonest, doesn’t it?
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
42920 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 4:30 pm to
Alexander III the Great
King Charlemagne (his grandpa almost made the list)
Constantine I
Augustus (Gaius Octavius)
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
32138 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 4:54 pm to
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Lincoln


Maybe the worst president in U.S. history, but OK.
Posted by mailman85
Kentucky
Member since Mar 2013
147 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 6:01 pm to
Cyrus the Great
Alexander the Great
Ghengis Khan
Julius Ceasar
and I'd put Napolean in as DH
Posted by SECdragonmaster
Order of the Dragons
Member since Dec 2013
17198 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 6:05 pm to
Trump 45
Trump 47
Trump “The Apprentice”
Trump on campaign trail
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
9231 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 6:32 pm to
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"states in rebellion."


Then he committed treason for using the military against the States.

Or hey let's look at what those critical of Lincoln said at the time, namely Clement Vallandingham of Ohio.

He was critical of Lincoln and the keystone of the republican party, the Morrill Tariff as "obscure, ill-considered, and unstatesmanlike."

After discussing the suppression of the press, suspension of habeas corpus, the blockade of Southern ports, and other dictatorial acts, Vallandingham then condemned the Lincoln administration for its persistent infractions of the Constitution.

See Lincoln wouldn't recognize the CSA government, because to do so would legitimize secession. However, if he would have declared war, and approved by Congress, it would have been constitutional to blockade Southern ports.

he wrote" the quartering of soldiers in private houses without the consent of the owners, and without any manner having been prescribed by law; to the subversion in a part, at least, of Maryland of her own State Government and of the authorities under it; to the censorship over the telegraph, and the infringement, repeatedly, in one or more States, of the right of the people to keep and bear arms for their defense.....free speech, too, has been repeatedly denied."

"The purpose of all of these dictatorial acts was not to "free the slaves" or even "save the Union," but national banks, bankrupt laws, a vast and permanent public debt, high tariffs, heavy direct taxation, enormous expenditure, gigantic and stupendous peculation...and strong government....no more State lines, no more State governments, and a consolidated monarchy or vast centralized military despotism"
Posted by artompkins
Orange Beach, Al
Member since May 2010
6023 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 7:00 pm to
Richard Sias, Mr Norm, Richard Petty and Buddy Baker.
This post was edited on 11/8/24 at 7:05 pm
Posted by cypresstiger
The South
Member since Aug 2008
12501 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 7:06 pm to
JFK? One of the greatest leaders in World History??
Posted by EastWestConnection
Denver/Shenzhen/Belfast
Member since Jul 2024
240 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 7:07 pm to
Marcus Aurelius
Castro
Gadaffi
Mao
This post was edited on 11/8/24 at 7:08 pm
Posted by Lush
Nola
Member since Jul 2023
732 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 7:13 pm to
Hitler
Pol Pot
Mussolini
Nancy Pelosi
Posted by lsuson
Metairie
Member since Oct 2013
13980 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 7:15 pm to
Churchill
Teddy Roosevelt
Benjamin Franklin
Patton
Chesty
Posted by Grievous Angel
Tuscaloosa, AL
Member since Dec 2008
10344 posts
Posted on 11/8/24 at 7:20 pm to
Thomas Jefferson.

George Washington

Winston Churchill

Napoleon

Honorable Mention: Ronald Reagan
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