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re: Who here is against St George?

Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:29 pm to
Posted by LloydChristmas
in a van down by the river
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:29 pm to
Just curious- do LSURussian and Golfer live in SG area?

ETA:sorry if already posted, didn't feel like reading through every page of this thread
This post was edited on 2/11/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted by CarRamrod
Spurbury, VT
Member since Dec 2006
58277 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:29 pm to
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It's sad, all this effort spent on establishing a new city could have been spent directly on influencing the School Board and its leadership in a positive manner.
yea like that would do any good.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133507 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:30 pm to
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St.George would onlyneed tto pay 10-25% of that based on revenue contribution, moron.
Based on your numerous factual errors in this thread, especially those "facts" involving money, what confidence should anyone put in your making up these new numbers?

But having said that, even if we use your lowest %, 10%, that would equal $80 million a year of the EBR total budget. If we only used just the general revenue budget, it would $29.9 million a year that St George owes. Both figures are above the $20 million you initially said is available for paying legacy costs.

Do you even realize when you try to argue your case, you prove yourself wrong???

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Assuming your screwed up revenue math was correct,
What 'screwed up math'? I posted a link to every revenue number I gave, for both the EBR budget and St George.

That's more than you've done with any of your fantasy "facts."
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:32 pm to
I don't live there. But I don't have an issue with living there. Wife and I just found a house we liked better in BR proper.

I also support neighborhood schools and don't mind them creating an isd
Posted by LSUAfro
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2005
12775 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:35 pm to
The federal regulations were definitely a major player in the detriment of the EBR school system but that is far from the only failing component that has plagued our school systems and it doesn't take picking sides to admit that.
Posted by LSUDAN1
Member since Oct 2010
10871 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:35 pm to
Only racist BR residents don't want St. George to happen.
Posted by LloydChristmas
in a van down by the river
Member since Nov 2009
2829 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:35 pm to
Just trying to educate the good folks of SG! Got it. I think the ISD was a good idea for those involved too.
Posted by HotMama79
Member since Sep 2012
294 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:38 pm to
My point here is - no matter if the Federal government or the EBR school board have run the EBR system over the last 30+ years parents have lost all confidence and trust in EBR schools. It is sad but I do not blame any parent for wanting better for their children and I do not blame them for being tired of paying tuition, as well as taxes to failing public schools. EBR has run out of time as far as most of these parents are concerned.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133507 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:41 pm to
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Just curious- do LSURussian and Golfer live in SG area?
Is this a requirement to be involved in the issue? After all, one of the lead organizers of the St George petition drive, Lionel Rainey, does not live in the SG area.

Of course, if you had read the entire thread you would have seen how his company landed a no bid state contract recently that was conveniently divided up into three smaller contracts to avoid the $750,000 limit to qualify for a no bid process and how he is business partners with a convicted felon who bilked state insurance rate payers out of $150 million when she bankrupted her privately owned insurance company, Champion Insurance. And you would have also learned that Rainey and Senator Bodi White, also a proponent of SG, collaborated in trying to start a charter school in EBR that got voted down by the EBR school board. Just a coincidence, I'm sure that they now both are pushing for a new city and new school district to pillage.

But to answer your question, no, I don't live in SG but I have family who does. They are terrified about what their property taxes might increase to if SG happens.

And I'm concerned about what happens if we succeed in adding another layer of government to our community when less government is what's needed.

IMO, more government never solves most problems.
This post was edited on 2/27/14 at 2:14 pm
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133507 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:44 pm to
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The federal regulations were definitely a major player in the detriment of the EBR school system but that is far from the only failing component that has plagued our school systems and it doesn't take picking sides to admit that.
Of course it wasn't the only factor. But it was such a big factor that many EBR citizens felt helpless to change it so they just dropped out of the process.

It's OUR process now. We can either get involved or just bitch about the school system on a message board. Or, maybe take our ball and go home....
Posted by LloydChristmas
in a van down by the river
Member since Nov 2009
2829 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:45 pm to
I was just asking a question. Thank you for the plethora of additional information you provided though!
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133507 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:47 pm to
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parents have lost all confidence and trust in EBR schools.
Not all parents. Don't even try to make it sound like everyone has quit the system.

If we don't work now to make positive changes, shame on us. We only have ourselves to blame for being apathetic.

AND, fwiw, the EBR school system improved one whole letter grade from 2012 to 2013, from a D to a C.

It's not good enough, but it's a start. And a good start is what we needed.
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
3155 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:53 pm to
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But having said that, even if we use your lowest %, 10%, that would equal $80 million a year of the EBR total budget. If we only used just the general revenue budget, it would $29.9 million a year that St George owes. Both figures are above the $20 million you initially said is available for paying legacy costs.


Those are your numbers, not mine. How in the hell are you equating the city-parish total budget with legacy costs? Legacy costs are the retirement/benefit costs of employees, but you're using the total budget as a figure for that? Wtf? We don't have 800million of legacy costs in the city parish.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133507 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:58 pm to
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Legacy costs are the retirement/benefit costs of employees
That's just a fraction of legacy costs.

If that is your best understanding of what legacy costs are when it comes to a situation like this, I really can't communicate with you further. Sorry.
Posted by HotMama79
Member since Sep 2012
294 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 3:58 pm to
Not gonna keep arguing - I never said ALL parents - BUT let's just say enough families in EBR Parish have LONG lost confidence in the school system or this would not even be an issue, would it??? Do you watch the news and see what goes on in EBR schools? Guess they will fight it out - my kids are grown so this does not affect me at all, I don't even live in S.G.
Posted by paddys pub
Sunny Philly
Member since Nov 2008
49 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 4:01 pm to
Then send your kids to a EBR school. I don't care about their progress, only where they stand now. I don't have time wait to see if the system improves.
My kids education is what I care about and I will put them in the best situation to succeed in life. EBR is not the answer.
Posted by paddys pub
Sunny Philly
Member since Nov 2008
49 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 4:04 pm to
I looked at Louisiana statue rs 33:151 and it says 1/3 in number and value and a contiguous area for annexation. Not just a random area or 1 person
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
3155 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 4:16 pm to
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That's just a fraction of legacy costs.

If that is your best understanding of what legacy costs are when it comes to a situation like this, I really can't communicate with you further. Sorry.


You confused the total budget of the city-parish with legacy costs in some attempt at discrediting me, and made yourself look like a dumbass in the process.
Posted by HotMama79
Member since Sep 2012
294 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 4:21 pm to
Then send your kids to a EBR school. I don't care about their progress, only where they stand now. I don't have time wait to see if the system improves.
My kids education is what I care about and I will put them in the best situation to succeed in life. EBR is not the answer.

THIS - right here is all I am saying. It's been 30+ years - and their time is up for most parents with children in school right now. Why is this so hard to understand???!!!
Posted by dragginass
Member since Jan 2013
3155 posts
Posted on 2/11/14 at 4:25 pm to
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THIS - right here is all I am saying. It's been 30+ years - and their time is up for most parents with children in school right now. Why is this so hard to understand???!!!


Its not hard for the middle class among us. The time for patience has come and gone. Despite what Russian would have you believe, many st.George volunteers have attended school board meetings and been completely blown off by our leaders. The time for change has come.
This post was edited on 2/11/14 at 4:26 pm
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