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re: Who believes in miracles?

Posted on 4/29/25 at 9:34 am to
Posted by Dale3
'Merica
Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 9:34 am to


Shoot, I need a miracle everyday!
Posted by JEC119
Member since Apr 2024
1203 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 9:38 am to
Remember that time they almost canceled Christmas because of fog?……..

But really yes I do.
Posted by LSUtoBOOT
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 9:46 am to
Posted by 6R12
Louisiana
Member since Feb 2005
10333 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 10:30 am to
If you need one, you better start believing.
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
5627 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:01 am to
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Examples? I see reports from hundreds of years ago or one from 2016 where bacteria turned the host red.
You can start here
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
74933 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:19 am to
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Kearse devised, for the first time ever, a set of control experiments. He obtained unconsecrated communion wafers and processed them according to the same conditions described above. He left them in a dusty, dark corner for several days and then stored them in water at ambient temperature and humidity for 7-10 days. Approximately 15 percent of the control wafers formed a gelatinous red substance on the surface, like the photos from the Eucharistic miracle reports
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It seems remarkable that all five test for the same, rare blood type. But there is a problem: the A and B antigens are not unique to humans. Since the 1960s, biologists have known that bacteria cells also have A and B antigens on their surfaces. Hence, if a sample is contaminated with bacteria, even if it contains no blood at all, it could still show a type AB blood result in this test.

Yet, without anyone ever checking for bacteria as the explanation, the claim about the blood type is often repeated as miraculous.
Crisis Magazine
Posted by Rip Torn
Member since Mar 2020
3351 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:24 am to
Define miracle. If you are asking if I believe a person could walk on water and not be Jesus? No. I absolutely believe things happen that aren’t easily explained away like surviving a bad accident or injury. Being cured of a disease that most don’t survive or avoiding impending doom.
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 4/29/25 at 11:33 am to
That doesn't explain the confirmed miracles. Those were not proven to be bacteria. Your example is like disproving me saying my marble is green by showing me that you have a blue marble. My claim isn't that your marble is green, it's that mine is. How did a piece of bread develop heart tissue?
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 11:34 am
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
74933 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 12:45 pm to
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That doesn't explain the confirmed miracles
They weren't proven with any actual rigor. That is what the linked story was about.
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How did a piece of bread develop heart tissue?
It didn't. They saw fragments of elongated cells and surmised they were was cardiac cells. Fungal cells also are elongated and in the state that the host was it was loaded with fungus.

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Fungal cells can sometimes be mistaken for cardiac cells in laboratory tests due to their similar appearance under a microscope

This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 1:07 pm
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
5627 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:11 pm to
Writeup about the one in Poland

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Another very interesting
event observed consists in that the substance found on
the corporal, although slightly changed after being
removed from the water (it had simply dried) a couple
of years ago, it did not change its appearance despite
having been neither stabilized nor preserved at a
particular temperature. “This signifies that if the miracle were due to a bacterium, the material would have
disintegrated, crumbled and would have changed
appearance. Any microbial culture, even placed on the
cleanest possible material, after a single week appears
completely different” added Professor Sulkowski.
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And yet, several people, who not only have
never analyzed the material but they had
neither seen it with their own eyes, have
affirmed that the red color of the Host is due
to prodigiosin, a red pigment produced by the bacterium Serratia marcescens. “Obviously, this is absurd”
affirmed the specialists of Bialystok, also because the
material observed corresponds to cardiac muscle and
not to a bacterium.

Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
74933 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:49 pm to
It was a sloppy investigation by people invested in it being divine. From reddit and someone who translated a polish report on it...
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investigation that mentions the informal character of the examination that was made on the sample. It confirmed that it was LIKELY a mammal heart muscle but can't prove whether it came from a human or an animal. Another Medical Facility approached the Archbishop offering DNA testing of the samples but he replied that "Sanctity must be respected"


Then the University distanced itself from the findings...
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it's a very official disclaimer that the University officials cut any ties with the results of the examination and would like to make it clear it's not their scientifically backed expertise. It was done as an informal side project of two of their employees and since they haven't documented any results the tests can't be replicated or peer reviewed


The university spokesman who is a practicing Catholic notes that they were not allowed to perform more definitive tests and that the 2 profs "they are characterized by an emotional approach to faith"

In other words, no real research occurred or was allowed as a follow up. No second opinions were allowed.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 1:53 pm
Posted by CMBears1259
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
4462 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 1:50 pm to
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Yes, I would appreciate a prayer.

When a person asks me to pray for someone else, I usually ask for the person's name so I can be very specific.

I understand not wanting to do that here, but if you care to share, initials?

Either way, I'll keep you in my prayers. I understand needing them...kind of in my own situation where I could use them.

Keep the faith. I'm a firm believer that they work.

Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
5627 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:02 pm to
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From reddit
You question the impartiality of a Catholic PhD but turn to reddit for your rebuttal. I'm sure if I kept going, you'd just say you don't trust the nun and priest who found it. There's no changing a closed mind.
Posted by dalefla
Central FL
Member since Jul 2024
1915 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:55 pm to
July 13 2024 Butler, PA
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
74933 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:59 pm to
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You question the impartiality of a Catholic PhD but turn to reddit for your rebuttal
The reddit post had a link to a report on the event and a link to the university's statement on it. They were both in Polish. I put paragraphs into a translator that confirmed the summary given by the poster. Shoddy research by those who are biased to believe
with no true rigor or chance at a second opinion was the jist of both.

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you don't trust the nun and priest who found it
How so? They sent it to the "researchers" so they didn't trust themselves at first either.

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There's no changing a closed mind
Pot, is that you?

Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
4907 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 2:59 pm to
I believe in miracles.

Since you came along.

You sexy thing.
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
5627 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 3:35 pm to
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Shoddy research by those who are biased to believe
Reporting their findings negatively effected their reputations and caused them to be reprimanded by their university. They had every reason to not submit their findings. Catholics don't need Eucharistic miracles to prove anything. Despite the surrounding controversy, they stuck by their objective findings.
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
74933 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 3:47 pm to
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Reporting their findings negatively effected their reputations and caused them to be reprimanded by their university
Because they did poor "research." Where are the original findings? Why won't the Church allow further study?

Again, these results can be reproduced by placing an unconsecrated host in water for a week or so in 15% of cases.
This post was edited on 4/29/25 at 3:49 pm
Posted by Crappieman
Member since Apr 2025
111 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 3:50 pm to
If you seriously need one, you'll most likely find it on your knees in prayer and through fasting. Ask God in prayer to give you your need, and to honor your sacrifice in fasting. Give up one meal a day for 7 days and pray daily. Have faith he will hear your prayers and answer them.

God is more than able to meet your needs. You just have to reach out to him first. He requires you to make the first move towards him. Ask and ye shall receive. Knock and it shall be opened unto you.

God is still in the prayer answering business and performing miracles. I know because I received mine this way.
Posted by StrongOffer
Member since Sep 2020
5627 posts
Posted on 4/29/25 at 3:59 pm to
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Because they did poor "research."
Just because your saying it's poor research doesn't mean it was. It's been 17 years. In all likely, it can't be replicated.

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Again, these results can be reproduced by placing an unconsecrated host in water for a week or so in 15% of cases.
Again, this is just not true. The study you first sent me from Imright.com was showing bacteria can form on a host when placed in water after awhile. There are instances of eucharistic miracles in which they tested and concluded it was not bacteria. I'm not saying your study is wrong, it just doesn't disprove the instances in question. Funny enough, that study was also done by a Catholic. You don't mind Catholic scientists when you think their work helps your argument. Curious.
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