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re: Which medical field is most resistance to automation and AI?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 5:13 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Posted on 1/31/19 at 5:13 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
IT people programming, repairing, building the automation.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 5:14 pm
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Posted on 1/31/19 at 5:25 pm to KLSU
Posted on 1/31/19 at 5:52 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I get the feeling that most of the posters thinking computers will replace doctors have 0 medical training.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 6:32 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Whichever field has the best lobbyists to persuade the legislators to write scope of practice acts to keep AI out
Posted on 1/31/19 at 6:46 pm to BearsFan
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I get the feeling that most of the posters thinking computers can’t replace doctors have 0 technical training.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 6:51 pm to blueridgeTiger
quote:in every movie that robots try to take over, they are always talking about “that’s illogical”. They’ll never figure us out.
Psychiatry
Is speech therapy a medical field?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 6:55 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
Surgeon performs the robot case sitting in a video game like console
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:02 pm to skuter
Surgeon has to literally cut holes in the patient to insert the different ports (probably not the right term) of the robot into the patient. Then they have to control the robot to do the surgery. Then they have to physically remove the ports and sew the patient up.
Lots of people in this thread have no clue how modern medicine works. Will things look very different in 50 or 100 years? Almost certainly, but anyone predicting that Doctors will be replaced in the next 10 years is crazy.
Lots of people in this thread have no clue how modern medicine works. Will things look very different in 50 or 100 years? Almost certainly, but anyone predicting that Doctors will be replaced in the next 10 years is crazy.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:08 pm to BearsFan
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but anyone predicting that Doctors will be replaced in the next 10 years is crazy.
I don’t see a single person here saying that they will be replaced in 10 years.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:14 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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I think that field will mostly cease to exist in a decade.
Decade=10 years.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:16 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
The ability to wake you up consistently throughout your hospital stay is a skill that only human nurses can provide.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:19 pm to BearsFan
“Doctors” is a broad term.
I do agree that anyone that interprets images has a stormy future ahead for them. Analyzing images is something a computer can do at an extremely better rate. Any residents should be extremely worried if they think they will live like their predecessors.
I do agree that anyone that interprets images has a stormy future ahead for them. Analyzing images is something a computer can do at an extremely better rate. Any residents should be extremely worried if they think they will live like their predecessors.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:30 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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Of course it doesn't -- today. No one is claiming this will replace doctors now. I clearly said in 10 years for radiologists. Those articles are just to illustrate where the technology is today, which is incredibly advanced and only improving.
At the end of the day, who are the patients going to sue when the computer messes up? Someone has to be held accountable. When a human element is involved that physician is undertaking a certain amount of risk.
Do you also expect other fields to succumb to the AI bogeyman? Society will find ways to adapt regardless of the changes coming. The whole point these processes are being developed are to help radiologist, not to harm or encroach on them. The article gets at just that.
I do not think radiology as we know it is going anywhere this century.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:42 pm to Arch Madness
This is a rare thread that hits at exactly what my job is.
It is very apparent that the majority of people don’t understand technology and medicine.
It has not been too long since we started utilizing image algorithms (FDA cleared to score breast cancer). These algorithms are growing to include more and more tests/tissue etc.
Pathologists are already pushing back because of the obvious “encroachment” into their territory. We tell them it is an “aide” but they realize it is doing their job. Younger path’s are more accepting.
Things are going faster than you think and radiology is a prime target as it is exclusively images.
It is very apparent that the majority of people don’t understand technology and medicine.
It has not been too long since we started utilizing image algorithms (FDA cleared to score breast cancer). These algorithms are growing to include more and more tests/tissue etc.
Pathologists are already pushing back because of the obvious “encroachment” into their territory. We tell them it is an “aide” but they realize it is doing their job. Younger path’s are more accepting.
Things are going faster than you think and radiology is a prime target as it is exclusively images.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:49 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
I wish I could get AI to do all the rotten tonsillectomies
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:57 pm to Bjorn Cyborg
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AI is 1000 times better at reading an X-ray, mammogram or MRI, and is faster and more accurate
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No one is claiming this will replace doctors now. I clearly said in 10 years for radiologists
If your first statement was true it would have happened already.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:46 am to flash
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If your first statement was true it would have happened already.
Medical image analysis is already happening. If any woman you know has breast cancer there is a good chance she had algorithms run on a digital scanner to score her.
It is still in its infancy and FDA clearance takes a long time. It is already here, you just don’t have the visibility to what is being developed. Some of us do.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 10:09 am to NIH
Software engineering will be one of the last skills to completely fall to AI. Fundamentally, a software developer has to understand what humans want. They have to figure out what humans want from vague generalities and hand waving, and fill the details in using the context of a human experience.
As a software engineer, personally I am not a fan of AI in its totality, because computers can never know or understand anything because they don’t have firmware developed by hundreds of millions of years of evolution.
Sharing the responsibility for putting the entire human race out of work because you can do it, doesn’t mean you should. Outsourcing, H1B visas, being too old, losing a pertinent skill set, being laid off are issues that should be more worrisome to people at the present time, instead of worrying about what AI and Machine Learning is capable of doing 50-100 years from now.
As a software engineer, personally I am not a fan of AI in its totality, because computers can never know or understand anything because they don’t have firmware developed by hundreds of millions of years of evolution.
Sharing the responsibility for putting the entire human race out of work because you can do it, doesn’t mean you should. Outsourcing, H1B visas, being too old, losing a pertinent skill set, being laid off are issues that should be more worrisome to people at the present time, instead of worrying about what AI and Machine Learning is capable of doing 50-100 years from now.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 10:18 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Automation improves productivity AI (offers suggestions) to dx and treatment. At the end of the day it’s up to the physician to use the information presented to make the most humane effort to treat their patients.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 11:05 am to Bjorn Cyborg
The AI would have to be pretty advanced. There are times when all the symptoms point to one thing but there are small nuances that completely change the diagnosis. I was going to be a PA once, but even I knew that the knowledge you get from med school and residency just puts you on another level knowledge wise. And, given that PA need a doctor to write scripts in Louisiana, I don't see them replacing them any time soon. Some nurse practitioners are good but as a nurse you are more so told what to do then to critically think the situation out. I've met some nurses that are head and shoulders above the others, but the average nurse isn't on the same level as a doctor. Mid levels are often ones that think they are on the doctor's level but didn't go to med school.
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