re: Which historical figure is the most misunderstood today?

I don't like orange juice or popcorn but that fancy vodka would probably go good with some sugar free Red Bull.

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Tigerhoney

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Nah she was pretty clear and transparent. Nothing misunderstood about her.

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More importantly, there was that Holocaust thing. That will never be excused or forgotten

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Read up on what the Mongols did (particularly the Siege of Baghdad), and then get back to me on why it is acceptable to have a Genghis Grill but not an Adolf's Oven as a restaurant chain. There's only one reason, and it's the length of time that separates us from it.

And there have been multiple genocides throughout history. The only difference between them are the fact that the Germans lost and had the means to carry it out very efficiently. Most of this country is pretty unaware of how horrible the Japanese actually were (hint: Pearl Harbor isn't in the top 20 worst things they've done as a country), and Mao and Stalin have had their atrocities swept under the rug. They are responsible for way more deaths than Hitler was.

And once all the people who lived through WWII and their children die, really how long is this going to be kept up when no one knows anyone directly affected by WWII in their lifetime? People will forget the atrocities like they always have.

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Those other men were certainly capable of butchering a city and whatnot, but their savagery had a purpose. Plus, Hitler's crimes are documented forever in photographs etc.

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Well please talk to me about the Japanese, Mao, and Stalin. Their acts have been largely forgotten by the vast public. People think we should apologize to Japan for nuking them, after they raped and murdered their way across the Pacific in ways that even repulsed the Nazis. Are you nuts? Plus George H W Bush as his first foreign trip was to go to Hirohito's funeral, who he and basically all of his family should have been executed for mass crimes against humanity. Seems we forgot the tens of millions that were raped and murdered under his orders fairly quickly if we attend his funeral.

Not to mention communism is still defended despite all the horrors it has done. But no, Capitalism and Nazism are the two big evils. That's what a very large portion of our country thinks. So if Mao and Stalin can be forgotten a little over 40 years after their deaths, Hitler can be largely forgotten as a monster in a century or two.

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I'm well aware. But again, it was a massacre occurring during a conquest in which the city did not immediately surrender. A little different than Hitler's concentration camps.

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I don't see why a concentration camp is more repugnant than a total sickening massacre that took it way over the top. Save for the numbers, why is Auschitz worse than Nanking? Auschitz was an assembly line of death. Nanking, holy fricking shite did creative with cruel and unusual deaths. I'd say Nanking is morally worse than that. It's like comparing a slaughter house to giving a bunch of serial killers to butcher a pasture of cows no matter how cruelly they please, and they take it way over the top. Nazis in Nanking were sickened by it and joined with the Brits and Americans to try and save people from the violence and take them in. That's how hardcore they were: too hardcore for the Nazis.

Plus the rivers ran black and red in Baghdad, which speaks for itself.

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Yes of course this matters. But in 2000 years, Hitler's atrocities will still be well documented, visually.

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So will Hirohito's, Mao's, and Stalin's, but people have largely forgotten already, nevertheless 2000 years down the line. Look up pictures of the Rape of Nanking, and tell me why our President went to the Emperor's funeral despite that.

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Yes. But that's a big difference.

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Yeah, but there are people who have killed more people than Hitler did, and the world public at large doesn't see them as monsters. Hitler developed an assembly line. The rest of them did it the old fashioned way.

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It'll always be remembered enough to taint Hitler's legacy as a conqueror. And while there have been other monsters like Hitler, his crimes will always be remembered Bc he did it to Jews. I'm not trying to be anti-Semitic. Just the way it is. I agree the other monsters like Stalin should be remembered also.

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What about the Armenians? People have forgotten about largely as well.

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I'm not arguing with you on any of this. Again, Hitler, leader of a modern Western European country, systematically massacred Jews and it's documented.

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Well, you're defining them by OUR modern standards, not theirs in the future. What if there hasn't been a war in a thousand years? Why would they look at us as any more enlightened than Genghis, Alexander, or Sargon of Akkad. They may think we are on the correct trajectory, but I don't think they'll differentiate much between Hitler and Genghis. I can't imagine they'll look back at 9/11 and them not thinking back to some atrocity 300 years before it just like we do. That's kind of the point.

Ty Cobb

Bill Clinton. Many people think he's a good guy. He's actually a rapist.

Y'all better cool it with this thread or we'll have a History Board by next week.

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Easily Hitler

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thats my Meme

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ell, you're defining them by OUR modern standards, not theirs in the future. What if there hasn't been a war in a thousand years? Why would they look at us as any more enlightened than Genghis, Alexander, or Sargon of Akkad. They may think we are on the correct trajectory, but I don't think they'll differentiate much between Hitler and Genghis. I can't imagine they'll look back at 9/11 and them not thinking back to some atrocity 300 years before it just like we do. That's kind of the point.

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Well i don't know what people will think 2000 years from now, but the question was whether Hitler will be respected in the vein of Alexander and Genghis. And I'm saying no, Bc he wasn't a military genius--in fact many would argue his blunders cost Germany the victory. And he lost the war. And most of all, I don't think Hitler's accomplishments will compensate for the Holocaust, even after 2000 years. Had Germany won, had Hitler been a real military leader, then I would agree with you. Genghis and Alexander really conquered vast lands. Hitler got in the way of his own generals and lost.

Bringing up other lesser known and forgotten atrocities doesn't matter. None of those atrocities were a Jewish genocide.

And besides, who will ever white knight for Hitler? Who will raise him up in glory? His name is a curse word in his own homeland and historians aren't exactly trending towards white supremacy.