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re: Which country had the best soldiers in WWII? Which country had the worst?

Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:09 am to
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:09 am to
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The US Army did not perform well fighting against the Germans.



This is demonstrably false as the U.S. Army continuously advanced against the Wehrmacht, causing the Germans to retreat. That doesn't mean the Germans didn't get their licks in.
Posted by lsudat10
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:14 am to
Yep. Think of Russia as 1,000,000,000,000 children defending a city against a 20 year old male. Most of those kids are going to die, but there’s just too many.
Posted by Liberator
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:17 am to
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The U.S. Army continuously advanced against the Wehrmacht, causing the Germans to retreat.


Yes, but by that time of the war, that was mostly against Wehrmacht second and third-stringers. And except for Patton, they moved timidly.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:18 am to
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Bad - Poland
Poland got the 20th Century European trophy for “Most fricked-Over Nation”*.

The Nazis and the Soviets tried to exterminate anyone there who’d shown they had an IQ over 90.

Ironic that WWII and the fall of the Iron Curtain both had a Polish component to them.

*Some areas of the Balkans are runners-up, along with Armenia (if one allows it to be considered European).
Posted by Tortious
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:24 am to
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The Germans were doing meth


Little know fact that a foundational aspect of Blitzkrieg, was advanced recon to steal enemy tank catalytic converters, to render them inoperable prior to the offensive.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:28 am to
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Little know fact that a foundational aspect of Blitzkrieg, was advanced recon to steal enemy tank catalytic converters, to render them inoperable prior to the offensive.


So meth heads dating back to WWII have been stealing catalytic converters? Time is a flat circle.
Posted by doc baklava
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:29 am to
You could always, I dunno, google it?
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:30 am to
Ehhh the Russians hammered the Japanese in Manchuria and in Eastern Asia. The Russians also had that problem at first, but towards the end of the war they were some hard sons of bitches and after general winter took its toll and the T-34 was mass produced the russian infantry and army stormed back. They were a truly elite force.

Eta
Thanks Doc
This post was edited on 10/20/21 at 7:44 am
Posted by deltaland
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:40 am to
Poland didn’t have bad soldiers they had no equipment to fight the Nazis. They literally took on panzers on horseback but they fought bravely

France had all kinds of modern defenses and still got rolled over
Posted by doc baklava
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:43 am to
T34
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:48 am to
Of the major powers, France and Italy were pretty bad.

Obviously outnumbered, the Germans had the best soldiers until attrition began to take a heavy toll by mid-1942. The Japanese were some of the most fierce warriors of the modern era.

Of the allies, it really depends. In cold weather, the open steppe or in cities, the Russians were monsters. Once they got a little experience, American troops were formidable. The Brits, as always, were fairly consistent and reliable throughout.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:50 am to
Poland getting a bad rap on here. The Poles fought really hard. It was like a dude off the street going 2 rounds with Mike Tyson in 1987.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:52 am to
One thing a lot of people that are casual history fans weren’t aware of (myself included until recently) is that the Americans had elite artillery, arguably the best in the world. We forget/downplay the importance of artillery in infantry battles and the Americans were the best at it.

I also heard a quote about jungle fighting from Dan Carlin. I’m paraphrasing here “The Australian fighters were gifted jungle fighters and fought valiantly against the Japanese who in their own rights were incredible jungle fighters. Many people consider America elite jungle fighters but in reality, they were elite landscaping crews and simply bulldozed the jungle down to fight in open ground where they were significantly superior to the Japanese”.
Posted by GumpInLex
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:52 am to
To be fair,

quote:

The US Army did not perform well fighting against the Germans.


is a bad take.

But by the time the Allies invaded Normandy, something like 90% of the German Army was tied up fighting in Russia. Even then, had the Germans brought their armor in to support the defense on D-Day, things may have gone horribly for the Allied landing force.

Scary to think had hitler waited a couple more years to launch Barbarossa and if he had waited til they could produce a lot more me262s, they probably would have won the battle of Britain and been able to pull off Sealion, thus having complete control over Europe and denying the US any way to land troops on the continent.

This post was edited on 10/20/21 at 8:00 am
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 7:57 am to
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Even then, had the Germans brought their armor in to support the defense on D-Day, things may have gone horribly for the Allied landing force.


If Hitler listened to Rommel and refused to let them establish a beach head the Germans may have won the war. Allowing a landing station ensured hitler would always have to fight a war on two fronts.
Posted by RollTide1987
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 8:01 am to
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Yes, but by that time of the war, that was mostly against Wehrmacht second and third-stringers.


Okay. So? The Germans weren't going to win any major campaign against the Allies without air superiority. You can pit the 1941-42 Wehrmacht against the 1944-45 U.S. Army and the results would still be the same due to America's superiority in manpower, doctrine, logistics, and industry.
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 8:04 am to
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One thing a lot of people that are casual history fans weren’t aware of (myself included until recently) is that the Americans had elite artillery, arguably the best in the world.


American artillery and engineering expertise is a tradition back to the early 19th Century. Most of the brightest minds drifted into either artillery or engineering. Robert E. Lee and Joe Johnston were engineers before becoming general. Sherman, Jackson and Meade were artillerymen, just as a few examples.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 8:07 am to
Napoleon said it best when he proclaimed that every officer worth his weight in gold should spend time in the artillery arm. That’s where he started at and where he became famous.
Posted by CitizenK
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 8:07 am to
Encirclement from German strategy, as opposed to the concentration on defending only with the Maginot Line, killed much of that army. They held the perimeter so that the Brits could escape at Dunkirk. They did the heaviest fighting in Italy against the Germans more than Americans and Brits.
Posted by GumpInLex
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Posted on 10/20/21 at 8:12 am to
Exactly-

All this to say, I think one has to credit to the German General Staff and the individual fighting prowess of the German soldier, that even after years of self-destructive blunders that were the direct result of Hitler almost NEVER listening to his Generals, they still potentially could have pulled it off.
We hadn’t even touched on the fact that the Germans had to divert manpower and lots of equipment to both North Africa and subsequently to the defense of the Italian peninsula because of the sheer incompetence of the Italian “war” machine.
This post was edited on 10/20/21 at 8:14 am
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